Arab States Call for Hamas to Disarm Amid Push for a Palestinian State
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Trying to imagine them asking this of Ukraine.
Apart from both being the attacked ones, they have not much in common.
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Apart from both being the attacked ones, they have not much in common.
Because Ukraine was allowed some level of sovereignty after the Sovjet Union collapsed, whereas Palestinians have been denied sovereignty ever since the British and French carved up the carcass of the Ottoman empire.
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Because Ukraine was allowed some level of sovereignty after the Sovjet Union collapsed, whereas Palestinians have been denied sovereignty ever since the British and French carved up the carcass of the Ottoman empire.
Just your friendly reminder that Hamas != Palestinians.
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Just your friendly reminder that Hamas != Palestinians.
Right now Hamas and other armed groups are the only ones preventing Israel from the total extermination of all Palestinians in Gaza.
If it wasn't for the armed resistance, Israeli soldiers wouldn't rely on using food to bait starving people into the fire of the death squads. Without armed resistance they could just go house to house.
But also over the past two decades. Without armed resistance in Gaza, Israel wouldn't have stopped annexing Gaza with settlements. Only because the resistance made that too costly, Israel abandoned its settlements and turned Gaza into an open air prison instead.
You are right, that Palestinians are not equal to Hamas. As the supporters of Israels like the US and most Europeans always helped Israels in its crimes, rather than stopping them, armed resistance is the only lifeline for the Palestinian people.
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The surprise move, in a declaration endorsed on Tuesday by the 22 member nations of the Arab League, also condemned Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, which set off the devastating war in Gaza.
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The Arab states don’t give a fuck about Palestinians. The Palestinian authority doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinians. What’s the point of this?
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The Arab states don’t give a fuck about Palestinians. The Palestinian authority doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinians. What’s the point of this?
The point is to shift the blame for all of Israel's atrocities onto Hamas. The Arab rulers are losing their grip, they've been exposed as Zionist collaborators and there's growing resentment from their people.
That's been their angle this past year, people are getting disappeared in Jordan and Egypt right now if they say anything that can remotely be taken to imply the government isn't doing enough to help Gaza, and they are cracking down on public displays of support of Hamas; and state media is pushing hard the narrative that people are tired of the war and Hamas is being unreasonable and Hamas Hamas Hamas.This is for the sheep in the population that haven't woken up yet, and for Western liberals who still believe in all these governments. Meanwhile, Israel is planning to annex the West Bank.
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I usually have 0 confidence in the Arab states to do anything good, but this headline is misleading. What's being called for here is for Hamas to disarm and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority in the process of creating a Palestinian state, which is like, duh of course independent paramilitaries shouldn't exist inside a sovereign state. It's technically a call for Hamas to disarm, but they had to have known what impression this headline would give. Fuck NYT.
Why should palestinians drop arms before occupation end? How can you say that when israeli support ethenically cleansing palestinians?
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Apart from both being the attacked ones, they have not much in common.
Not true. Israel and russis has very similar talking points
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Just your friendly reminder that Hamas != Palestinians.
Sure but hamas is more popular than the palestinian autority, most palestinians do not support hamas dropping arms
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They wouldn't be the ones recognized by the international community, though. That would most likely go to the Palestinian Authority. They've always been preferred over Hamas.
It wouldn't be the PA either it's too unpopular
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Why should palestinians drop arms before occupation end? How can you say that when israeli support ethenically cleansing palestinians?
Creating a sovereign Palestinian state is ending the occupation. Also note that I never said Palestinians should lay down their arms; I only said that when/if a democratic state is created those arms should be in the hands of that democratic state, not unelected paramilitaries.
TL;DR: Israel fucks off then Palestinian paramilitaries disband, not the other way around.
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Creating a sovereign Palestinian state is ending the occupation. Also note that I never said Palestinians should lay down their arms; I only said that when/if a democratic state is created those arms should be in the hands of that democratic state, not unelected paramilitaries.
TL;DR: Israel fucks off then Palestinian paramilitaries disband, not the other way around.
Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.
When you keep sending arms to israel and have great trading with them there is no reason,why israel will ever allow a state
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Sure but hamas is more popular than the palestinian autority, most palestinians do not support hamas dropping arms
Yeah, but people are desperate and die of hunger.
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Yeah, but people are desperate and die of hunger.
wrote last edited by [email protected]So tell the west to stop selling weapons and impose state level sanctions. Israel said it won't stop the war after hostages are released. The israeli governmemt is determined to do it's final solution
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Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.
When you keep sending arms to israel and have great trading with them there is no reason,why israel will ever allow a state
Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.
This declaration explicitly states otherwise though? You can just, like, go read it. It's pretty milquetoast stuff.
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Arab countries and the west want hamas to disarm before the state is created and if the state ever got created they want it to have no army.
This declaration explicitly states otherwise though? You can just, like, go read it. It's pretty milquetoast stuff.
False , this is the order
1- Hamas ceases power, disarms, and hands authority to PA2 - PA conducts elections to govern all Palestinian territories
3 - Israel ends occupation and commits to a two-state solution with security guarantees.
This would just be another failed accord like Oslo accords where the PA respect it's commitment but Israel continue the occupation with even less resistance. Then the west and Arab countries continue to have great unofficial relations
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The Gulf despots (and the ones in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) are shit-scared of Arab democracy and have never actually done anything meaningful to help the Palestinians, besides setting up some refugee camps and treating the inhabitants as a source of contagion.
The last thing the Gulfies want to see is any Arab government with any legitimacy. It would make their own people, and the vast underclass of TCNs, start asking awkward questions.
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The surprise move, in a declaration endorsed on Tuesday by the 22 member nations of the Arab League, also condemned Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, which set off the devastating war in Gaza.
Archive - https://archive.is/JvfvN
Gulf states which collaborate with Israel collaborate with Israel.
Hamas already has an offer to disband if a two state solution is reached. This is one-siding the blame.
Also the PA is a dictatorship backed by the West and Israel.
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Yeah, but people are desperate and die of hunger.
So tell Israel to disband.
