Hello, Linux Developer
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Linux dev: no, no! I gotta reinvent the wheel, but also I'm going remove 80% of the original wheel's features and then force everyone to use my wheel before it's even functional.
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Actually! Wheel11 is really outdated, which is why im building wheeland, which is more secure and <...>
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pff you call that working fine?
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Actually! Wheel11 is really outdated, which is why im building wheeland, which is more secure and <...>
"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."
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You should get 20 Linux devs in there, then we can have 20 forks of wheel…
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I'm betting a certain highschool vibecoder will generate a million LOC before even trying the door.
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"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."
'tis the wheeland experience :3. At least we can have monitors with different refresh rates tho
As is we do kinda have 2 standards, both equally bad, and you just have to pick your poison
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"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If "the wheel" is achieved by making literally every application you run a keylogger, I'm very cool with Wayland "reinventing the wheel". X11's handling of user input is a fucking embarrassment.
Besides just the Steam Deck and Proton, a big reason people are finally sticking around on Linux is because using X11 feels exactly like what it is: a cobbled-together piece of archaic shit that needs to be left behind.
Wayland by contrast feels fantastic to run, and on my GTX 1070 with proprietary drivers, the only current issue I have with it is how Firefox picture-in-picture popouts don't stay on top by default.
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If "the wheel" is achieved by making literally every application you run a keylogger, I'm very cool with Wayland "reinventing the wheel". X11's handling of user input is a fucking embarrassment.
Besides just the Steam Deck and Proton, a big reason people are finally sticking around on Linux is because using X11 feels exactly like what it is: a cobbled-together piece of archaic shit that needs to be left behind.
Wayland by contrast feels fantastic to run, and on my GTX 1070 with proprietary drivers, the only current issue I have with it is how Firefox picture-in-picture popouts don't stay on top by default.
Yeah well, I thought Linux was all about controlling one's own OS? Or are we now Apple and Microsoft?
Besides, the "keylogger" is pretty much essential for mouse gestures. But now we don't care about accessibility, I guess.
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You should get 20 Linux devs in there, then we can have 20 forks of wheel…
i don't think a wheel with 20 forks in it would work very well
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Yeah well, I thought Linux was all about controlling one's own OS? Or are we now Apple and Microsoft?
Besides, the "keylogger" is pretty much essential for mouse gestures. But now we don't care about accessibility, I guess.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Has anyone so far stopped you from using your outmoded tangle of garbage? Or do you just not like that major desktop environments are switching to more sensible defaults?
If you're worried about GNOME 50 dropping X11 in the future... okay? Nobody's obliged to maintain your shit. Linux is all about choice, and it's their choice not to spend untold thousands of hours working to keep X11 usable, just like it's your choice to change your Linux to something that does still use it. Switch to any one of the other desktop environments; see if the Wayland Illuminati or whatever gives a shit.
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"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."
Hey we are penguins not ducks
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I've seen this so many more times from Microsoft than anywhere else. They even tried reinventing a regex syntax just for their IDE!
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Has anyone so far stopped you from using your outmoded tangle of garbage? Or do you just not like that major desktop environments are switching to more sensible defaults?
If you're worried about GNOME 50 dropping X11 in the future... okay? Nobody's obliged to maintain your shit. Linux is all about choice, and it's their choice not to spend untold thousands of hours working to keep X11 usable, just like it's your choice to change your Linux to something that does still use it. Switch to any one of the other desktop environments; see if the Wayland Illuminati or whatever gives a shit.
Did you create Wayland all by yourself that you're so defensive of it?
I'm not about to make X11 my personality, I just want to be able to use mouse gestures. I'm such a horrible person for wanting this!
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the wheel doesnt need to be reinvented, but it does need to be broken down into its components so they can be used with other things that may need them.
the spoke, the circle, the tread, and the spoke hub should be broken up before accepting the PR.
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I am fan of reinventing stuff that was frankensteined to kinda work in a modern world..
I don’t like hacky solutions.
Hope systemd is next.
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Oh, you wanted to learn, or enjoy the process of creation, or trim the fat to only use what you need, or fully understand what you're using because you made it? Fuck you. Use this bloated, impossible to evaluate, hosted and exploited by megacorps bundle because we demand you turn everything into a 3rd party hobbled together monolithic piece of shit.
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Plot twist: once you accept the wheel without reinventing it, you have to pay a monthly wheel subscription.
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Not sure how this applies when:
- X11 was the only standard prior to Wayland.
- GNOME is dropping X11 in a short time.
- KDE's telemetry even five months ago showed 80+% of (that portion of) their userbase uses Wayland, and they plan to drop X11 once they have a concrete set of problems worked out.
- Hyprland and Sway run Wayland exclusively.
- Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce are working on Wayland sessions. Cinnamon's is there but, I think, still experimental.
- Budgie is working to go Wayland-only.
- There's no sign that Wayland will stop improving from a state that's arguably already much better than X11.
- X11's actual maintainers barely want anything to do with it beyond bug fixes, and the only person who wants to "innovate" it via a fork is a bigot and a fucking moron who doesn't know things you learn in CS 101.
- X11's maintainers are majorly involved in developing Wayland and have been since the start. This is their idea.
It seems like it went from "Situation: there is one standard" to "Situation: there are two standards developed by largely the same people with one set to replace the other", and then soon: "Situation: there is one standard and one translation layer kept around for a decade or so for compatibility."
Not every single time someone tries to make things better is this xkcd relevant; this had nothing to do with unifying standards and everything to do with superseding one.
