Every UK petition
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I love people who say "we don't live in a democracy because we live in a republic." Yeah, we don't live in a republic either, bitch.
A republic has a specific definition but we absolutely do not meet.
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i understand thinking you live in a democracy, but i've never heard people saying it's a republic
They got it from American conservatives. Love idiot to idiot communication like this, two dumbass groups separated by an ocean using the same phrase incorrectly in different ways.
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That just proves the point. The politicians will do what serves them best, regardless of what's good for the people or the country.
Yeah, that's very true. But they'll do the bad thing it even if there's a referendum on it.
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It's a representative democracy, not direct democracy.
It's a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
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More like "This is good thing, please vote."
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Scotland stopped voting Labour into power over a decade ago. If only England had the balls to do it too. Torys and Labour, two sides of the same corrupt coin. Come England, youre better than that. Starmer is a tory cunt. Vote greens, or Libdems, or anyone else buy those two corrupt scum parties.
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On france, we currently have one with 2.1M signatures, gov still said nope (petition against reintroduction of dangerous pesticide, backed by sciencists community)
There is no legal binding whatsoever?
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Well they did say yes once in 1215
wrote last edited by [email protected]To the Barons, not the plebes.
The Magna Carta was just a reapropportioning of power amongst the elites, who had the riff-raff fight and kill each other to determine how much power the King would have and how much would the other nobles get.
All but a handful of people were as powerless after it as they were before.
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Just don't inconvenience anyone in any way.
Being slightly irritating is a terrorist activity now.
Also if you get too much attention you're hurting your own message
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There is no legal binding whatsoever?
wrote last edited by [email protected]It compells the government to talk about it.
That's it."so what shall we do about that petition then?"
"tell them to shove it?"
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Of all the arguments against democracy, I think this one is probably among the strongest.
In the past, this was solved by giving the power of the franchise only to the upper class, because those people at least had the time and education needed to consider their choices before voting. Of course, such a system would never work in the modern day. It would just result in a country turning into a cyberpunk hellhole.
But on the other hand, giving educated people stronger voting power than uneducated people seems to be a historically unexplored idea. Something like all citizens having one vote to start, secondary school graduates having a second, baccalaureate holders having a third, and then graduate degree holders having a fourth.
Yea, great idea, except that if you think degrees lead to general intelligence you’ve gotta get out more. I know way too many people with specialized degrees who really only know that one thing and half the time they aren’t even good at that. In the US, and many other places, education is something that is restricted and there are many barriers to it which just bring us back to a rich vs poor situation.
It turns out that earning a degree is actually quite simple and more a test of your ability to navigate the schooling process than your ability to learn and apply that information. I went to college and I’ve seen some absolutely braindead people graduate, and I’ve worked with university grads who are smart and also with university grads who are a step or two away from eating glue in the printer room. I’ve met people who never went to any post-secondary education who have a great handle on things but either their career doesn’t require “higher education” or they weren’t able to afford to even think about it.
Example: There are medical doctors and nurses who are against vaccines. A small amount, so few that it’s obvious that they’re completely wrong, but they still exist. There are engineers who can barely keep themselves together, and developers who can’t stop not understanding how the world works. Donald Trump went to a prestigious university and he’s about as stupid as they come, alongside pretty much every Republican.
