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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • S [email protected]

    Incels: sexual vegans

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

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    • M [email protected]

      At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice

      It is both, and both affect each other. False dichotomy?

      a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

      Strawmaning what being a vegan is. It is far from just turning a blind eye.

      The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals.

      You know that they eat plenty of other animals right? If you go there, meat and animal products are a very big part of the local food.

      I can't take these arguments seriously.

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      It is both

      It's induced demand. Increased capacity invited consumption.

      You know that they eat plenty of other animals right?

      Per capita they're heavily constrained. They have three times the population and one third the land area. They can't slaughter animals to match US consumption patterns even if they try.

      That's incentivized a culture of veganism as normal and virtuous, as a consequence. And it has allowed the population to expand to 1.3B without experiencing rates of malnutrition common to more rural countries (Kenya, Argentina, and Haiti, for instance) where enormous stretches of land have been dedicated to feedstock.

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        I am a AI Freedom Fighter.

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        • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          This was an actual response that Google's stupid Gemini LLM really gave somebody. The notion was lifted from a satirical Onion article which the LLM regurgitated as if it was an established fact.

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          We need to poison the models with more satire on the Internet.

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          • whoisearth@lemmy.caW [email protected]

            I'm a sex vegetarian gotta be a bit open

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            Sex flexitarian is where it's at

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            • whoisearth@lemmy.caW [email protected]

              I'm a sex vegetarian gotta be a bit open

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              I'm a sex pescatarian. I will not be answering questions.

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                Shit take, the more AI-made media is online, the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

                It won't be indistinguishable from media made with human effort, unless you enjoy wasting your time on cheap uninteresting manmade slop then you won't be fooled by cheap uninteresting and untrue AI-made slop.

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                “All AI-generated content is self-evident” is an unfalsifiable claim. It might also be true, but you don’t and can’t ever know.

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                  I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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                  No animals harmed during sex...hmm

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                    No animals harmed during sex...hmm

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                    Disagreed. I am an animal.

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                      No mayo in the bedroom? Why even bother.

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                      Vegan aioli just doesn't cut it

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                        If the human you're fucking consented, then consuming their fluids is vegan. Hell if they consent, eating them would be vegan too.

                        Animals do not consent to having fluids extracted or their lives taken and flesh consumed. Animal agriculture keeps animals in filthy, torturous conditions too, which no animal would ever consent to either.

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                        I had a fish that died by suicide. We didn't eat it, but arguably

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                          I wouldn't mind a Geth or two, for jolly cooperation

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                          Also for destroying the occasional organics, as a little treat

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                            I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

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                              I am a AI Freedom Fighter.

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                              I'm one too!

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                              • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                                I had a fish that died by suicide. We didn't eat it, but arguably

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                                It was kept in captivity by you though, which is not it's natural habitat so any choices it made were, arguably, under duress.

                                If you lived by a creek and regularly recognised a fish swimming by, and one day this fish killed itself in front of you- you still shouldn't eat it as fish contain a lot of parasites and there's very likely also something toxic in the water causing the fish to harm itself this way.

                                But yeah, sure, hypothetically: if for a year or so you knew a wild fish that lived in an unpolluted and ecologically healthy body of water, and one day this fish chose to kill itself in front of you. You could, if you really wanted to eat a suicidal fish, eat the fish and say it was vegan because the only harm that came to the fish was through the un-coerced choices of said suicidal fish.

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                                  I refuse to use it because it's shit.

                                  We are not the same.

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

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                                    Effectively I believe we are. During my MFA I realized we were simply copying as a form of craft. It's all we do in arts. Any great work feels like just one continuous story retold again and again.

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                                    • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                                      I refuse to use it because it's shit.

                                      We are not the same.

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                                      Yup, these things are still garbage for >90% of all applications people are jamming them into. Breathed a sigh of relief when my company CEO said he doesn't see us using AI for more than can center routing for at least the next several years.

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                                      • J [email protected]

                                        I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.

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                                        Abstaining from animal products is just vegetarian. Veganism requires an extremely strict adherence to a very specific set of rules concerning animals.

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                                        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                          There's a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can't live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.

                                          This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.

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                                          They're trying to pretend it's real AI rather than extremely complicated text prediction. Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it. LLMs are a sort of language pareidolia.

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