Should get a discount or something
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I thought that was a basic design principal since it's so widespread.
here they don't talk, don't weigh, don't time out, and can be cleared remotely when you buy age-restricted stuff and don't look like a twink. my only gripe is that some of them won't allow you to delete duplicate scans without help.
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Y'know that grocery stores could simply staff enough checkout registers and then all this self-checkout time-savings goes away, right? The stores - following the airline model - created a problem for the consumer (long checkout lines due to understaffing) and then effectively sold the customer the solution (you do your own labor, but grocery prices stay the same).
following the airline model
? Are you talking about, like, baggage prices?
Iirc, airline margins are super thin, and their customers are extremely price sensitive. In order to stay competitive, airlines need to be able to sell their customers on the lowest possible flight price, while still not losing money on every single flight. The solution is to charge the customer more directly for the scarce resources they use on a flight. Extra weight on the plane means more fuel used to reach the destination. Charging for each checked bag rewards people for travelling light, while giving everyone a free bag punishes the light traveller with higher fares. Sure, the byzantine fee structure in the booking process is annoying - but at the end of the day, flights are now extremely cheap historically speaking, and a pay-for-what-you-use model makes sense.
Of course, the actual solution is to have a better system of busses and trains. And the airline industry is always lobbying against that. But I'm not sure what the comparable action in the grocery industry would be.
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Yeah I'm not actually talking about the "Please place the item in bagging area" part, I'm talking about the second or two after I place it before the system registers the weight and re-activates the scanner.
Sometimes I've seen this disabled, on certain tills at certain supermarkets, and I can scan breezily. Not sure if the weight check feature was disabled completely or what.
Oh gotcha
Same answer though, none of them by me do that anymore, I guess they all disabled the scale here. I can just rapid fire scan and out the door.
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How can you be faster when you have to both scan and bag everything, whereas at the human checkout you only have to bag?
Because I care about leaving, so I do everything I can to be faster. In economics, this is known as the principle-agent problem. At my local walmart, it is known as "I'm not a septuagenarian who's been hitting a vape pen for the last 5 hours."
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where is this that you are made to stop? I just keep walking and say ‘if you wanted to see my receipt then open another cashier lane and scan items yourself. It’s my property now.”
That's a lot of words to say while not breaking stride. I just hand them my reciept and thank them for taking my garbage.
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Policy depends on location, but for some places offering your receipt is 100% voluntary. I wouldn't deny showing my receipt at Costco (where it's been standard practice long before self-checkout came around and, though I don't have a copy of the agreement handy, I wouldn't be surprised if it were part of the agreement when you sign up for a club card.) But when I worked at a certain home improvement store, they hired outside security to check receipts. When one of the security guards was ignored by a customer and they asked him again, the customer complained. Subsequently, the security guard got fired. That's how I learned that the policy is "ask once, and let them go if they don't respond the first time." AKA security theater.
I mean, it's security theatre what actually does save the store money. Hence why walmart had greeters all those years ago. They found people were less likely to shoplift if they just knew that someone was watching them.
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That's a lot of words to say while not breaking stride. I just hand them my reciept and thank them for taking my garbage.
ha fair point!
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if i've learned anything from this thread it's that y'all have awful self-checkouts.
I never understand the press they get. As someone that doesn't want to have a chat with a stranger about everything I buy, self-checkouts are amazing. I don't consider it extra work. OP should look at the history of supermarkets. We didn't use to pick items off the shelves either.
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"Don't you hate it when you walk into a grocer and they expect you to pick out the items yourself? I don't work here, I just want to say "1 pound of ham and 2 loafs of bread" at the clerk, pay and pick them up. I've been to this new Piggley Wiggly, can't find anything, spent like an hour to find beans. Imagine if I was paid for that time, I would have made 15¢!"
OP in 1925, probably.
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I mean, it's security theatre what actually does save the store money. Hence why walmart had greeters all those years ago. They found people were less likely to shoplift if they just knew that someone was watching them.
I always just call the bluff. Offer them the receipt before they ask and they're totally ok with you walking off with half the items unbought.
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Cashiers aren't paid enough to deal with customers. At least when I'm using the self checkout they don't need to engage with me.
So, your solution for a corporation underpayying their staff is to offer to do their job for free so corporate can just eliminate the position altogether?
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I never understand the press they get. As someone that doesn't want to have a chat with a stranger about everything I buy, self-checkouts are amazing. I don't consider it extra work. OP should look at the history of supermarkets. We didn't use to pick items off the shelves either.
Same with pumping gas. Self serve is the norm in so many places.
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Amusing that you think the employees scanning shit aren't also the ones bagging it.
But to answer your question, I'm faster because I have an incentive to get shit scanned and bagged, vs just riding the till for 8 hours.
OK, so the reason is because in the situation with two people, you fail to make use of both to make it go faster, and instead just stand around.
So if speed were the priority, I have a suggestion for you.
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Because I care about leaving, so I do everything I can to be faster. In economics, this is known as the principle-agent problem. At my local walmart, it is known as "I'm not a septuagenarian who's been hitting a vape pen for the last 5 hours."
I have maybe once checked out at an in-person check-out where the person scanning was twice as slow as me on my own at a self-service checkout.
Normally at an in-person checkout, I am in fact the bottleneck placing stuff in bags. I'm already motivated to do that as quickly as possible, and the person scanning is still faster than that. Are you like the other person and just standing around while the cashier bags your groceries? If you "really care about leaving" you could do something about that.
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If you feel this way then you should never complain about the length of the lines or the speed with which you get through them.
Nah, they should hire more people. It isn't my problem to solve. I don't work there.
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So, your solution for a corporation underpayying their staff is to offer to do their job for free so corporate can just eliminate the position altogether?
I like how you've taken a self deprecating comment that tries to empathise with other people and turned it into a confrontational jab at making one of the many failings of neoliberalism my direct responsibility.
I actually use self checkouts because I don't want to have to engage the social parts of my brain for what is essentially a tedious chore. However this means that staff also don't have to deal with me under those circumstances, which is a nice bonus.
To counter your jab, your solution to the failings of neoliberalism is to create needless busywork under dehumanising conditions rather than address the systemic failings?
You don't have to answer that, I was just making a point about how I didn't come to this thread to fight anyone. Put the knife down.
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I never stop for them. I'll say "no thanks" or "I'm good, thank you anyway."
Definitely helps to have headphones in.
My favorite is "Thanks, you too
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I honestly don't hate the self checkout, I hate it when they do it poorly.
Oversensitive scales, improperly weighted products, stuff without barcodes, tiny little bagging areas that can only hold two bags. No belt for unloading groceries. Please remove the item from the bagging area, help is on the way. (Help is never on the way)
The grocery store where I used to live had a bunch of regular lanes, You threw your crap on the belt, Scan it over the sensors and send it down to the collection area where you could bag it. It was honestly pleasant.
I went to Target in the evening once, had an entire cart full of groceries. I push it up front there's no cashier's open only the self checkout. I look at the person manning the self-check out and say
Why aren't there are there any registers open?
Sorry just the self checkout.
This is going to be like 8 bags.
Yeah, sorry.
I shrug leave the cart there and start walking out the door.
No, wait: The cashier goes and opens the closest register to the self checkouts
I shrug leave the cart there and start walking out the door.
No, wait: *The cashier goes and opens the closest register to the self checkouts
Honestly this would piss me off more. Oh so you just lied to me and expect me to forget about it that quickly. If that's how they treat customers I wouldn't ever return. There's too many options for me to put up with that bs.
I know not everyone has options, but exercise them if you do.
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I shrug leave the cart there and start walking out the door.
No, wait: *The cashier goes and opens the closest register to the self checkouts
Honestly this would piss me off more. Oh so you just lied to me and expect me to forget about it that quickly. If that's how they treat customers I wouldn't ever return. There's too many options for me to put up with that bs.
I know not everyone has options, but exercise them if you do.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I kind of get it. It's one cashier monitoring four checkout stations. Staffing isn't her fault. And if someone comes up to the checkout stations while she is checking me out and has a problem she's now doing another person's job worth of work. She's got to run double duty, and that sucks for her.
What I presented her with was a no win situation. If somebody doesn't check me out they're going to have to put away an entire cart full of groceries and probably waste a fair amount of perishables.
I was by no means happy with them at that point but my time is not worthless either and I had just spent the better part of an hour picking out a grocery order.
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Same with pumping gas. Self serve is the norm in so many places.
I pass the time ignoring the dangerous substance I'm handling untrained by thinking about how we stopped employing a specialists so that someone's quarterly profits could go up a bit more.
