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    European version: take most of your time off during summer or we all have problems around Christmas

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    More like: take your time off as soon as possible.. you should always have zero days set aside

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      Late last year my company switched to "unlimited PTO." Ironically this happened just before I had saved up 120 hours (specifically vacation hours separate from sick days or anything else) to go visit my fiance abroad without question. A couple weeks ago HR sent out a message to the managers that "unlimited" (which includes sick days, bereavement, etc) basically means 25 days at max, but we should "encourage" around 15 days.

      When I brought up that "Unlimited PTO" was gonna be real bad news for us, my coworkers didn't really believe it, but now some of them are getting pushback or outright denied on trips they had planned last year. If you are applying for a company that says "unlimited PTO" ask exactly what that means. And if they say "manager's discretion" ask what the HR recommendation or policy is to the manager. It's meant to be a profit-increasing tool to get new recruits to sign on, as well as ensuring that they can cut you off from taking days off when they feel like.

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      It also eliminates the vacation pay-out when someone resigns.

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      • S [email protected]

        European version: take most of your time off during summer or we all have problems around Christmas

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        In the Netherlands, I've never had this happen.. Sure, they want you to teken time off at certain period, but if the know you want time off at a cwrtaib period, they should just get staff to meet minimum service levels.

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        • etherwhack@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

          It also eliminates the vacation pay-out when someone resigns.

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          Ah yeah totally forgot about that too, definitely

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            "Guess you should've planned better, this probably won't reflect well on your next performance review. Anyway, see ya!"

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            • S [email protected]

              Employees cost far more than most think, and that cost is the employers number one expense. Add it all up and $9-$12 comes out more like $16-$22. But the upfront costs in hiring a new person is the real kicker.

              Advertising, interviewing, HR and IT onboarding, extra unemployment taxes on the initial income, training, all that stacks. Also, consider how useless a new employee is vs. one that's been on task for some time. And that employee is taking valuable time from an experienced worker!

              Would being short one employee really cost thousands an hour? Can't think of such a retail space. ?

              But yeah, low-end employers are damned short sighted. Given the upfront costs of new employees, shouldn't they be working hard to retain folks? Speaking of costs, at the employment firm I worked IT at, we'd charge higher rates for payroll if a company had shit turnover. We knew we'd be paying extra unemployment insurance, and don't quote me, but I think there was a higher worker's comp cost. In any case, if turnover was high, that was a sign of a shit employer who would be a shit client.

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              I worked in a destination outdoors chain. My departments I ran at different points were firearms and marine electronics. Both were high-dollar purchases that usually involve 1:1 interactions with workers.

              When someone doesn't buy a $4000 sonar unit because nobody was on the floor in that department it hurts.

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                Sounds like a management problem to me

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                Managers dont even do the half ass work theyre supposed to anymore for their inflated salaries.

                A lot of jobs that even require degrees and licensing are having managers ask people to find their own coverage. The managerial class is the ultimate fucking waste of space.

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                  If you can do this to them, they can do this to you.

                  So take a sick leave when they do that.

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                  • K [email protected]

                    Late last year my company switched to "unlimited PTO." Ironically this happened just before I had saved up 120 hours (specifically vacation hours separate from sick days or anything else) to go visit my fiance abroad without question. A couple weeks ago HR sent out a message to the managers that "unlimited" (which includes sick days, bereavement, etc) basically means 25 days at max, but we should "encourage" around 15 days.

                    When I brought up that "Unlimited PTO" was gonna be real bad news for us, my coworkers didn't really believe it, but now some of them are getting pushback or outright denied on trips they had planned last year. If you are applying for a company that says "unlimited PTO" ask exactly what that means. And if they say "manager's discretion" ask what the HR recommendation or policy is to the manager. It's meant to be a profit-increasing tool to get new recruits to sign on, as well as ensuring that they can cut you off from taking days off when they feel like.

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                    My ex was so happy when they went to unlimited PTO, but she's overworked as it is and nobody does her job when she's not there, on top of her boss just dumping her work down on her. So she has to do extra work on the day before and after, so she just quit taking days off until HR told her she needed to take 4 days off in the next 2 weeks and that just meant 8 days of busting her ass, and she was livid.

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                      That sounds like a whole lotta not my fucking problem.

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                        I worked in a destination outdoors chain. My departments I ran at different points were firearms and marine electronics. Both were high-dollar purchases that usually involve 1:1 interactions with workers.

                        When someone doesn't buy a $4000 sonar unit because nobody was on the floor in that department it hurts.

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                        Ah! Never worked high-stakes retail like that. I get it now.

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                        • washedupcynic@lemmy.caW [email protected]

                          Agree with this take 100%. Retaining employees also retains institutional knowledge. I worked in a call center for a vision insurance company. I lasted 5 years where most new hires lasted less than 1 year. By the time I left I had in-depth knowledge about materials used in eye-wear, wholesale costs, how prescriptions translated into the type of correction being performed and how that would impact lens thickness, claims processing, medicaid billing rules, HIPAA, and how the affordable care act worked. The company decided to pass me over for multiple promotions, had no raises, refused to allow me to take my PTO, get paid out for my PTO, or let my PTO roll over. Just got fed up one day and rage quit. I moved to a medical insurance company that paid 5$ more per hour, ($18 vs the $13 I was making at the first place,) to obtain all that knowledge. I learned even more at the new company, until they started pulling the same shit. So I rage quit again. All of that knowledge left with me, and I got a state job that comes with a pension, fuck tons of sick, vacation, and personal time that rolls over and no one questions when I need to use it, along with a $10 per hour raise, ($18 per our at the old place, $28 per hour at the state job.) I'm much happier and much less stressed now. What's sad is that all it really would have took to make me happy at either of the first jobs was being able to take my PTO. I was willing to overlook a lot of the other bullshit like the lack of wage progression and growth. These bean counters are penny wise and pound foolish.

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                          Fucking yes! Hang in, get the experience they're paying you to steal, run away. It's crazy that people focus on employers fucking us when we can be fucking them!.

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                            Oh no. Anyway.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              My ex was so happy when they went to unlimited PTO, but she's overworked as it is and nobody does her job when she's not there, on top of her boss just dumping her work down on her. So she has to do extra work on the day before and after, so she just quit taking days off until HR told her she needed to take 4 days off in the next 2 weeks and that just meant 8 days of busting her ass, and she was livid.

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                              She should just do less. Sounds like she's a good worker, they won't fire her. Standards are lower than we tend to think

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Fucking yes! Hang in, get the experience they're paying you to steal, run away. It's crazy that people focus on employers fucking us when we can be fucking them!.

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                                I wish I had learned to jump ship sooner instead of swallowing so much bullshit. The social contract is dead. Right to work cuts both ways bitches. Quit with no notice when employers haven't done shit to earn your loyalty. The bridges we burn today light the path forward.

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                                  She should just do less. Sounds like she's a good worker, they won't fire her. Standards are lower than we tend to think

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                                  She has ADHD like me. She won't stop and she gets taken advantage of.

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                                    I went on 4 weeks of medical leave for surgery. I'm on week 3 rn. 3 days after my leave started, I learned it was an absolute shit show without me and work was piling up because there weren't enough people to do the big tasks and the many tiny little things that I do. I get told on the daily by my two work besties that they can't wait for me to come back because of how awful it has been without me. Apparently even the big boss was saying that my presence is missed and that I do so much more than he had realized. I just try to keep myself busy so boredom doesn't kick in.

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                                    • launcheskayaks@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                      I went on 4 weeks of medical leave for surgery. I'm on week 3 rn. 3 days after my leave started, I learned it was an absolute shit show without me and work was piling up because there weren't enough people to do the big tasks and the many tiny little things that I do. I get told on the daily by my two work besties that they can't wait for me to come back because of how awful it has been without me. Apparently even the big boss was saying that my presence is missed and that I do so much more than he had realized. I just try to keep myself busy so boredom doesn't kick in.

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                                      Sounds like someone is due a raise 😅

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                                        Sounds like someone is due a raise 😅

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                                        I asked for one and was laughed at and essentially told that management doesn't intend for me to get any kind of meaningful raises or advancement. I'm browsing for new jobs.

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                                        • launcheskayaks@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                          I asked for one and was laughed at and essentially told that management doesn't intend for me to get any kind of meaningful raises or advancement. I'm browsing for new jobs.

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                                          Good for you on leaving, and good luck with the search!

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