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Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

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  • N [email protected]

    Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"

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    It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

    People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

    I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

    What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

    Honesty it might already be too late.

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      I wish Mozilla would just debloat the browser, focus on performance and making browsing a good experience. But unfortunately their revenue situation is bad. At this stage, they won't even manage to survive through donations after annoying their main user base.

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      That's basically what LibreWolf does.

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      • N [email protected]

        I thought mozilla was a non profit?

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        Non profits do have corporate leeches too. The executives at Mozilla have executive salaries. That is, hundreds of thousands, or millions.

        They don't work out of the goodness of their hearts. And Mozilla has to find a way to earn the income to pay their bloated salaries.

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        • N [email protected]

          The problem is that it's opt-out and not opt-in, and it should be opt-in.

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          why should it be opt in when it literally takes a second to disable?

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            Bless your heart.

            They will do whatever they believe will maximize profit.

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            That is disingenuous.

            People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it's not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.

            Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.

            I wish they'd strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?

            The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.

            You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.

            It's fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn't exist or has no value simply isn't true.

            So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.

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            • M [email protected]

              It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

              People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

              I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

              What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

              Honesty it might already be too late.

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              How does adding AI help their funding?

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              • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                why should it be opt in when it literally takes a second to disable?

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                For the same reason that "send me your advertising" ticky-boxes on website sign-ups should not be ticked by default: because the "feature" is detrimental to many (if not most) users and you have to spot the control before you can disable it. Worse, in this case many ignorant users won't make the connection between this misfeature and the fact that their laptop is suddenly burning through its battery in double-time—they'll just assume Firefox is now broken.

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                • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                  I like the tab groups.

                  And nobody should stop you installing an extension that provides tab groups. I agree with the other commentator that some features can be left to extensions and don't need to be part of the core web browser, though.

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                  True, but I'm not sure that an extension would have the necessary access to manipulate the browser like that. I don't think it should. A malicious extension could do horrible things.

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                    Yeah I don't like ai stuff. And I certainly don't need AI to group my tabs. I can do that myself just fine.

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                    • P [email protected]

                      could be, I can't judge that. do you have any source for that info or is it based on an assumption?

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                      Their public, reviewed 2023 financial statement and their official documents about administration salaries and bonus.

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                        On my pixel 6 pro it takes a few seconds before I can start typing in the browser.

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                        If you're a little less afraid of stuff breaking, use IronFox, it's been configured for privacy and security. If you don't want websites to break as much use Fennec.

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                        • P [email protected]

                          Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

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                          Actually, I'm kinda sad that my laptop doesn't get close to maxing my RAM cause I specifically bought another stick to make it 16GB. This was back when I was using Windows but now I'm bloat-free on Fedoora. I need to get into gaming on my laptop instead now lol.

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                            That is disingenuous.

                            People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it's not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.

                            Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.

                            I wish they'd strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?

                            The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.

                            You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.

                            It's fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn't exist or has no value simply isn't true.

                            So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.

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                            Patreon $1 a month?

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                            • F [email protected]

                              How does adding AI help their funding?

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                              Are we pretending that lots and lots of people aren't incredibly horny for AI right now?

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                              • M [email protected]

                                It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

                                People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

                                I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

                                What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

                                Honesty it might already be too late.

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                                People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

                                People are complaining about unnecessary bloat. That has nothing to do with them being the underdog.

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                                • M [email protected]

                                  It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

                                  People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

                                  I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

                                  What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

                                  Honesty it might already be too late.

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                                  I could not disagree more.

                                  Mozilla has used the most powerful cheat code in history: infinite money for free.

                                  Google cannot let Mozilla go under or they would become an actual monopolist, triggering a lot of laws that would force them to diversifying/selling the browser.

                                  They don't want any of that headache so they're pumping Mozilla full of money, making sure that they can always operate as "the other browser engine".

                                  The issue is that Mozilla's management seems to be completely incapable of doing anything interesting. Instead of ensuring that Firefox is the lightest, most optimised browser on the market while also being packed full of features (or at least full-fledged add-ons, not this crap they have), they do... mostly nothing.

                                  Their last major update was "vertical tabs", something that Chromium-based browsers had for around a decade.

                                  Their previous major update was integrating Pocket...

                                  Meanwhile, PWAs still barely work, add-ons are still dependent on the website being loaded instead of working on the browser level, the whole thing still feels bulky.

                                  Mozilla management needs to be replaced and then we might see some movement on the market.

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    That is disingenuous.

                                    People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it's not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.

                                    Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.

                                    I wish they'd strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?

                                    The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.

                                    You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.

                                    It's fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn't exist or has no value simply isn't true.

                                    So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.

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                                    Bless your heart.

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                                    • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                                      I could not disagree more.

                                      Mozilla has used the most powerful cheat code in history: infinite money for free.

                                      Google cannot let Mozilla go under or they would become an actual monopolist, triggering a lot of laws that would force them to diversifying/selling the browser.

                                      They don't want any of that headache so they're pumping Mozilla full of money, making sure that they can always operate as "the other browser engine".

                                      The issue is that Mozilla's management seems to be completely incapable of doing anything interesting. Instead of ensuring that Firefox is the lightest, most optimised browser on the market while also being packed full of features (or at least full-fledged add-ons, not this crap they have), they do... mostly nothing.

                                      Their last major update was "vertical tabs", something that Chromium-based browsers had for around a decade.

                                      Their previous major update was integrating Pocket...

                                      Meanwhile, PWAs still barely work, add-ons are still dependent on the website being loaded instead of working on the browser level, the whole thing still feels bulky.

                                      Mozilla management needs to be replaced and then we might see some movement on the market.

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                                      You're forgetting the fact that laws are currently only being triggered if said company slanders dear leader.

                                      If Google kisses ass you best believe they would completely allow them to be a monopoly and would ignore any laws being violated

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                                      • D [email protected]

                                        That's basically what LibreWolf does.

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                                        Yep, and it still works great. I even use LibreWolf on my work machine, and since it's running Linux I need to use all the Microsoft 365 stuff, like attending meetings via Teams, in my web browser. I just let it persist and share some site data to make things run smoothly. (which is a compromise, yeah)

                                        The only real issue I had was when I installed the flatpak version, and it was the flatpak permissions screwing with me. Most of the time though I have been using the version from their repo.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          I thought mozilla was a non profit?

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                                          Profit can be distorted based on how much employees are being paid.

                                          They're a "non-profit," but their CEO makes millions of dollars per year. I'd say that's a profit.

                                          Believing otherwise is just falling for rhetoric that exists to take advantage of our naivete so people richer than us can be even richer.

                                          Many of you will disagree with this (because you're greedy consumerists), but their employees also typically don't need to be paid nearly as much as they are. Their employees are also working to maximize profit, albeit from a different, less-effective angle.

                                          Money brings out the worst in people. I don't really value the input of people going to bat for the businessmen taking their money. Too often I see useful idiots proud to be ripped off and getting angry whenever someone points it out. It's really the norm at this point, which is sad.

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