Have you encountered this?
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Not saying this isn’t real and completely scummy, but sometimes the tip is calculated before discounts, gift cards, and whatnot. I always tip based on what our total order was even if what we paid was less.
If this is truly trying to fudge the numbers to take advantage of people then that’s shitty.It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
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I have yet to encounter an automatic tip calculation that doesn't base the tip on the total bill including taxes. It’s a pretty infuriating cash grab. Not only am I directly having to pay an employee’s wages so the restaurant doesn’t have to, I’m having to tip the government, too? (Yeah, I know the government doesn’t get the tip)
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Okay, this image would be better if it actually showed whatever article it came from, so we could verify the print and date. These could all be books printed in 2016 for all we know. But like I totally believe it.
Edit: I have the grammar of a 3rd grader
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Restaurant tries to scam customers, yet they still give a 20% tip?
The solution is to never step foot in the restaurant again not punish the server.
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I don't care what people think, I'm still doing 10% for okay, 15% for good, and 20% for great.
It's not my job to give servers a raise. The food prices have already exploded, they are already getting more in tips just because the base cost went up
My $10 meal and 15% tip ($1.50) is now a $15 meal with a 15% tip ($2.25) which would have been a 22.5% at previous prices. They already come out ahead in that scenario without tip percentages increasing.
How many years did you work as a server?
I find this sort of behavior is common against people who have zero hours of experience and don't know anyone that has worked these jobs.
The pride people feel over being cheap is telling. Going into a transaction with known expectations and flaunting the choice to under perform is not a flex. It's a symptom among many in this flailing county.
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Pass a law that removes the minimum wage exemption for "tipped" professions.
What a coincidence I just put on my lawmaking socks!
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How many years did you work as a server?
I find this sort of behavior is common against people who have zero hours of experience and don't know anyone that has worked these jobs.
The pride people feel over being cheap is telling. Going into a transaction with known expectations and flaunting the choice to under perform is not a flex. It's a symptom among many in this flailing county.
Why is 15% considered cheap when 15 years ago it was perfectly acceptable? A percentage is a percentage. Yes, cost of living has gone up but that includes food prices which means tips go up as a result automatically, hence the example I provided.
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It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
Always tip on the subtotal. If your server worked their ass off for your table but you had a coupon for, let's say, 50% off 2 entrees and a birthday dessert, that's just devalued their effort by about $50.
Also, the tipping culture is broken, and this is bonkers.
I came from a tipping-optional culture and worked foodservice. If I got good tips, they went back into the bar at the end of the shift, or into my savings jar at home. It was never make-or-break on whether I got to pay rent or not.
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Do a review on Google maps, and TripAdvisor, if you are in a touristy city. Warn the world, and put the ownership on notice.
Also consider complaining to the secretary of state perhaps? Idk, it's not city tax revenue so not likely, but it's still fraud. But I would definitely consider a chargeback. This is just like in the old days when managers or severs would scribble in a different tip and total on the merchant copy.
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And they still tipped?
My tip would have been 0 right there and would have included a complaint with police
Highly doubt the server was being malicious. They aren't putting that on the receipt. It's a shitty thing for sure but it's unlikely that server had anything to do with it.
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And they still tipped?
My tip would have been 0 right there and would have included a complaint with police
I was going to say I would have calculated out and either an even lower option and written it in and then tipped that
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Also consider complaining to the secretary of state perhaps? Idk, it's not city tax revenue so not likely, but it's still fraud. But I would definitely consider a chargeback. This is just like in the old days when managers or severs would scribble in a different tip and total on the merchant copy.
This seems like it is probably more of a server issue, and not a restaurant issue. The server has learned how to increase their tips, I doubt that's company policy. This is Management's problem to solve, not the government's.
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Ok genius, tell us how to stop tipping culture without stopping tipping?
Don't use tipped services if you're not going to tip. There are alternatives. You're offloading your "political action" at the expense of the worker, while the owners won't care. Support legislative change, don't use your politics as an excuse to harm the workers of a service you chose to use.
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Try to avoid services that rely on tipping? Don't go to restaurants or order food delivery where you're expected to tip.
I understand it's not an easy thing to fix, and I sure as hell dont have the solution, but not tipping someone who is relying on tips is just a dick move
Part of the problem is that it's considered the customer's responsibility. The real dick move is on the employer not paying a decent wage.
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This seems like it is probably more of a server issue, and not a restaurant issue. The server has learned how to increase their tips, I doubt that's company policy. This is Management's problem to solve, not the government's.
This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
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Not saying this isn’t real and completely scummy, but sometimes the tip is calculated before discounts, gift cards, and whatnot. I always tip based on what our total order was even if what we paid was less.
If this is truly trying to fudge the numbers to take advantage of people then that’s shitty.wrote last edited by [email protected]My only exception to the "pre-discount" price is when places have a "buy 1 get 1" deal and they try to make you tip based on that, but the single item price is way overpriced because of it. Happens around me a lot where they're like 3pack tacos, buy 1 get 1 $21, like yeah that's great price for 6 small tacos, but I wouldn't be paying $21 for 3 tacos, so I'm not gonna tip whatever crazy amount for a bill that "would have been" $75 or something for some tacos and a drink. Granted these are usually carry out orders, but don't try to artificially inflate my bill to get better tips because you discounted it to a lower price.
Edit before people give me flak:
I still tip fairly, but if a place tries to give me some "your bill was 100$, but we discounted it to 20$ that'll be a 20$ tip though" they can fuck off. I'll tip right, but don't try to guilt trip me with a discount when you know I wouldn't be here at all of it wasn't for the discount. -
That’s because everything needs a pin, if you pay cash this still works this way. USA only started using pins around covid time iirc and it’s still not universal.
The PIN thing really confused me when I visited the US (right before Trump got in again). Like even the places that did support chip would just accept my payment without having me enter anything. First time I bought something I thought the machine glitched because I didn't even realise a payment could be made without the PIN
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Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
I'm not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it's the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
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I got chewed out on reddit once for being "cheap" because I said tip before the tax. Guy was super pissed over what amounts to a difference of cents. Went off on a huge rant belittling me like I admitted to murdering puppies..
Like... Dude, if your whole life comes crashing down over 40¢, to the point that's your reaction, maybe there's a much bigger problem going on here?
Just playing devil's advocate but that's 0.40 to you, but to a server who might wait on 100 people a week, that's $40.
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This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I'm not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn't the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you "Don't make a Federal case out of it?" This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
