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Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

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  • B [email protected]

    Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON

    Was that part of OneUI 7? I'm so glad I never installed that downgrade.

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    Pretty sure this goes back to the second to last Note. It's been a thing for years now

    Power button became the bixby or google assistant button. It's annoying as hell

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    • B [email protected]

      Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON

      Was that part of OneUI 7? I'm so glad I never installed that downgrade.

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      It's not their AI (Bixby). It's Gemini. But yes.

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      • C [email protected]

        It is to some people. My approach though, when I happen to have multiple "work group" to organize, is just to use my OS ability to have multiple windows. No need for any extra bloat, the feature is already there, and it works as I'm used to.

        But apparently, using the tools already available to you is not a common skill these days 😞

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        But apparently, using the tools already available to you is not a common skill these days 😞

        So, are you not understanding that other people work differently, or are you just not using that skill?

        Besides offering different approaches for different preferences, there are clear benefits to the extra level of organization. As an additional exercise, try to picture someone using multiple windows and tab groups.

        Not everyone operates on the basic level. Hell, why even have tabs? The OS can manage multiple windows, and you can use multiple desktops to achieve the same result without that bloat.

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        • A [email protected]

          Nah, they've done studies and most people find it fucking annoying, worse, and don't want to pay any extra for it.

          The whole thing is an obvious supply side economics push.

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          It's really annoying when it's pushed in our faces everywhere. For getting a quick image of something you specify, or help with some boilerplate text it can be pretty neat.

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          • comador@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

            At least they offer a fix for it:

            Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

            To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

            To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

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            They offer a fix behind a bunch of barriers? Is it not in settings with an obvious on/off toggle for the thing?

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            • S [email protected]

              They are all out of date, updates just take longer to arrive including security patches. Just use base Firefox and configure it as needed.

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              This is always the answer I go back to with Firefox. I just don't see a benefit to switching (yet) to another version of Firefox.

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              • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

                Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit. In fact, we've been pretty direct about how much we don't want it.

                It's exhausting.

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                Mozilla has stopped working on developing and improving their products, and is now entirely focused on adding trendy terms and garbage, to feed money to their C*Os.

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                • B [email protected]

                  Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON

                  Was that part of OneUI 7? I'm so glad I never installed that downgrade.

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                  It was. I'm struggling to find anything that was an actual improvement in the UI. Most of the changes were trivial and change for change's sake; but some were awful, and none are clearly better.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Waterfox

                    Very interesting. Did not know about this.

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                    I messed with a few browsers (Librefox and others), but ended up on Waterfox because it's just Firefox...without much extra shit. It's faster, lighter, and runs all of the Firefox extensions I love.

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                    • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                      You only disable the chat. Overall setting seems to be browser.ml.enable.

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                      browser.ml.enable

                      Thanks!

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                      • J [email protected]

                        According to the article, this is mainly for grouping tabs with a suggested name. Talk about backwards. Use AI to process the top websites on the Internet and create groups and/or logic to group them by keywords (cluster analysis), then save the small data structure in Firefox so it can group most websites instantly, using kilobytes of ram in the process; don't try to do this on everyone's device ffs.

                        Besides the heat and battery problem, this also means that the GUI is going to be non-deterministic, suggesting groups differently day-to-day based on the slight differences of input and the whims of the LLM. Burn it with fire.

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                        It does seem bizarre and woefully inefficient to run this process on-the-fly locally.

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                        • comador@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                          At least they offer a fix for it:

                          Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

                          To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

                          To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

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                          Why would they bury the option... are they being paid to include this AI feature or something...?

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                            Firefox really does seem to have lost the plot... they don't seem to go five minutes without slamming their dick in another drawer. It starts to look like they're in to it.

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                              Awful Idea? Anal Intrusion? Actually Irrelevant?Activating Idiocy? Adding Incompetence?

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                              • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                                Hinging their entire future on the bet that their country gets an easily manipulated dictator, when said dictator is 80 years old already, would be extremely short-sighted from Google.

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                                Mark my words: It will be Vance, not Trump who gets to be the first King of America.

                                The future is bleak.

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                                • N [email protected]

                                  Pffft, next you'll say you want to wipe your own ass.

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                                  Only after the thirsty bidet is finished with it. I've got her gushing at this point.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    True, but I'm not sure that an extension would have the necessary access to manipulate the browser like that. I don't think it should. A malicious extension could do horrible things.

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                                    I’m not sure that an extension would have the necessary access to manipulate the browser like that.

                                    I don't know if they still do but they used to have. That, however, is something to discuss with the genius decision makers at Mozilla who decide to break extension APIs every couple of years. Firefox on Android still hasn't recovered from last time.

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                                    • B [email protected]

                                      Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit.

                                      This is why I use the version of Firefox that does not update.

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                                      Maybe check out LibreWolf. It's Firefox except with good defaults. Otherwise, it's exactly the same

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        Mozilla has stopped working on developing and improving their products, and is now entirely focused on adding trendy terms and garbage, to feed money to their C*Os.

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                                        They in the last year or so added built in vertical tabs , much better hardware support for decoding video on Linux, continue to support manifest v2 and high quality ad blocking. Have increased performance and memory usage.

                                        In the last 7 years performance is night and day different as is multiple process performance and switched away from unmaintainable old broken addon system.

                                        They also created one of the premiere programming languages which is making in roads in the Linux kernel.

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                                        • X [email protected]

                                          Mark my words: It will be Vance, not Trump who gets to be the first King of America.

                                          The future is bleak.

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                                          I don't know if Vance has a strong enough following. Trump is effectively worshipped by MAGAts, not sure Vance is capable of taking over like that.

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