"log in" and "sign up" buttons
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I will look up Gopher because I'm curious, but for less curious people and for other users to see, what is Gopher?
Do we do GPT here?
Gopher is a 1990s-era internet protocol that delivers text and files through simple hierarchical menus.
The small web is a loose movement of minimalist, personal, and non-commercial websites built outside the corporate web.
Gemini is a 2019 protocol for browsing encrypted, text-first sites using a simple markup language called Gemtext.
To connect to Gemini, install a Gemini client like Amfora and open a gemini:// URL.
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Do we do GPT here?
Gopher is a 1990s-era internet protocol that delivers text and files through simple hierarchical menus.
The small web is a loose movement of minimalist, personal, and non-commercial websites built outside the corporate web.
Gemini is a 2019 protocol for browsing encrypted, text-first sites using a simple markup language called Gemtext.
To connect to Gemini, install a Gemini client like Amfora and open a gemini:// URL.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No we dont. Look, I struggled writing something too but make the effort to find a credible source. For example, my other post referers "hackaday" which is incredibly more legitimate and informative than anything an LLM could come up with.
I applaud your effort to reply instead of simply answering "are you too lazy to google/gpt" as engagement is why we are here, but I wouldn't recommend just reformulating a question and post an LLM reply. If anything, small user made errors and all makes the engagement more genuine and meaningful, no need to be right all the time for example.
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Do we do GPT here?
Gopher is a 1990s-era internet protocol that delivers text and files through simple hierarchical menus.
The small web is a loose movement of minimalist, personal, and non-commercial websites built outside the corporate web.
Gemini is a 2019 protocol for browsing encrypted, text-first sites using a simple markup language called Gemtext.
To connect to Gemini, install a Gemini client like Amfora and open a gemini:// URL.
wrote last edited by [email protected]First impression: good! Looks pretty cool.
this is the start page when I launch Amfora
then I went to Gemini Project, just some address I found on the net
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No we dont. Look, I struggled writing something too but make the effort to find a credible source. For example, my other post referers "hackaday" which is incredibly more legitimate and informative than anything an LLM could come up with.
I applaud your effort to reply instead of simply answering "are you too lazy to google/gpt" as engagement is why we are here, but I wouldn't recommend just reformulating a question and post an LLM reply. If anything, small user made errors and all makes the engagement more genuine and meaningful, no need to be right all the time for example.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Fair enough. I just consider it quicker wikipedia, especially for very simple lookups. For what it's worth, I googled "gopher", which, shockingly, showed me pictures of gopher. "Gopher network" showed me an online network dedicated to gophers. XD
I 100% get the AI hate, but it did explain it to me, pointed me to a browser, which I installed, and now I'm on Gemini, so I learned something and gemini got a new user.
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Thank god that at least they made them ask. Another thing I'm massively happy for is GDPR. I keep getting mails in my inbox for all sort of random accounts I don't remember signing up for that I probably just checked out once and forgot about, asking me if they can keep my data, please, because if I don't reply then they can't, and they would REALLY REALLY LIKE TO C'MON FRIEND BE MY FRIEND
wrote last edited by [email protected]EU: require consent over nonsensitive junk data that's mostly for targeted advertising & isn't strictly to safeguard against identity fraud
Also EU: compel the risky disclosure of sensitive information for identification, propose rules to scan all your chats
We can thank them for getting privacy entirely backward.
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At this point giving them some bones might be preferable. I'm sure there have to be SOME extra bones in here somewhere.
This puts the tooth fairy in a bit of a new light...
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this is a rant about microsoft
how on the fucking earth are you the biggest company and have hands down the worst login imaginable. you know for a fact people have multiple accounts for your platform, it's incredibly common to have a work specific micorosoft account after all. AND YET you lock in a specific email for login??? and you don't even put a bloody "i'd like to log in with a different email"???? oh there's a "use a different login method" button it's all okay right? wrong that button still doesn't let you change the login email! but now you can log in with a code sent to it :).
what if that """""convenience"""" you're trying to give people by checks notes, not including an incredibly common button that takes you to the default login page without a specific email baked into it, is actually an impossible pain in the ass? what if that email is someone else's and then just hit the "remember me" out of habit? go fuck yourself :). go into the browser setting and manually delete the cookies or if you can't or don't know how to do that then just fuck yourself
not to even fucking mention how if you try to log into teams desktop client app that info is going to get fucking applied to the entire windows account??? without asking about it clearly either it just fucking does that! it just fucking links to your local account instsntly
who asked for that microsoft? what deranged motherfucker in your board of directors came in high off his tits and uttered the cursed phrases needed for those feature to fucking exist?
and is that guy the only one allowed to speak? the only who's vocabulary extends past "great idea! let's do that"?
how is your user account management worse and more annoying than any virus i had?
i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call. and that silly little action has taken fucking hours to undo, and all done with force "how to delete someone else's email from microsoft login"? delete your fucking cookies or team cache. "how to unlink a microsoft account from windows"? don't forget to input your pc password! dw about how we didn't ask for it when we just linked it to your local account, you need it now
oh and unlinking isn't removing, you gotta do that one too!there has been genuinely nothing else in the past decade that has made me more frustrated, more fucking seething with anger, than dealing with the fallout of needing to use someone else's microsoft account for an hour
This is how I got used to using different browser profiles. I’ll even open up a guest profile on a browser rather than just swap MS login for a few hours.
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
I've never seen someone defend Microsoft's stupid decisionmaking so hard.
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this is a rant about microsoft
how on the fucking earth are you the biggest company and have hands down the worst login imaginable. you know for a fact people have multiple accounts for your platform, it's incredibly common to have a work specific micorosoft account after all. AND YET you lock in a specific email for login??? and you don't even put a bloody "i'd like to log in with a different email"???? oh there's a "use a different login method" button it's all okay right? wrong that button still doesn't let you change the login email! but now you can log in with a code sent to it :).
what if that """""convenience"""" you're trying to give people by checks notes, not including an incredibly common button that takes you to the default login page without a specific email baked into it, is actually an impossible pain in the ass? what if that email is someone else's and then just hit the "remember me" out of habit? go fuck yourself :). go into the browser setting and manually delete the cookies or if you can't or don't know how to do that then just fuck yourself
not to even fucking mention how if you try to log into teams desktop client app that info is going to get fucking applied to the entire windows account??? without asking about it clearly either it just fucking does that! it just fucking links to your local account instsntly
who asked for that microsoft? what deranged motherfucker in your board of directors came in high off his tits and uttered the cursed phrases needed for those feature to fucking exist?
and is that guy the only one allowed to speak? the only who's vocabulary extends past "great idea! let's do that"?
how is your user account management worse and more annoying than any virus i had?
i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call. and that silly little action has taken fucking hours to undo, and all done with force "how to delete someone else's email from microsoft login"? delete your fucking cookies or team cache. "how to unlink a microsoft account from windows"? don't forget to input your pc password! dw about how we didn't ask for it when we just linked it to your local account, you need it now
oh and unlinking isn't removing, you gotta do that one too!there has been genuinely nothing else in the past decade that has made me more frustrated, more fucking seething with anger, than dealing with the fallout of needing to use someone else's microsoft account for an hour
This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
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Yeah it's weird when websites show the sign up button, but hide the log in button inside some little shit of a menu.
Like... are people coming back to your website after signing up...? I would have thought that repeat log ins would be the more common use case by far.
Could be that the priority is to get more sign ups or that once signed in, customers typically stay signed in
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Do you want to save this account for future login?
aAaAAAAAAAA
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i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call.
I get your frustration, but that's a fucking awful choice for a whole bunch of reasons, not only because of Microsoft's bullshit. You really buried the lede.
Don't share accounts people!
Have them forward you the meeting invite or reach out to the organizer to call you instead.
And if you fucking insist on logging into someone else's account again, use Private Browsing mode and the web client of Teams to keep it from touching the rest of the machine. It works fine for audio and video calls.
At any place with a half decent security policy you'd be looking at disciplinary action. At certain workplaces this would be an immediate firing.
it was a work account used exclusively for teams for online lectures, there was nothing of interest on it, i checked lol, i'm nosy
it was during a time when i was just substituting so i didn't have my own work email, and i ain't joining with my personal one when i need to be professional. after the bullshit with that account getting linked to my local system account i indeed used teams in the browser, i just didn't anticipate microsoft bullshit vol. 2 to hit me months later when i tried to log into my minecraft account and couldn't because my coworkers email got baked into it! but now i know i guess
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
it wasn't my idea, it was the only option prodivded to me. i didn't have a work email there yet as i just started working, and it's work with children - seeing their teachers name pop up and then someone introducting themselves as a substitute is fine, but seeing some guy join in with a random email and name you never heard of would be alarming to the parents
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This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
well yeah now i know that, the maddening part is that with any other platform what i tried doing at first wouldn't be an issue, log in, do the thing, log out, never think of it again. but nooooo, microsoft has to be special
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pay pal's website asks if I want to verify through text, then freaks when it discovers that it is not a phone app, but instead a webpage on a browser with no SMS functionality to ask permissions for
I always get an e-mail with the TOTP code when I want to log in.
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They're making their site inconvenient so you'll download their app. Every fucking website and product has an app now.
This is it. I attempted to order some pizzas from Pizza Hut on their website because they had a deal going on. I remember their website being pretty good like 10 years ago, but now it was such a buggy mess it literally wouldn't let me order a pizza. I would go through the system up to the point where it says "add to order" and it would just glitch out and make me start over. I then switched to my PC because I figured it would be easier and the exact same thing happened. I ended up getting frustrated and ordering pizza somewhere else because their website was so shit. I am sure their app would have worked fine but I am not installing 500 apps for every shitty chain restaurant I go to.
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well yeah now i know that, the maddening part is that with any other platform what i tried doing at first wouldn't be an issue, log in, do the thing, log out, never think of it again. but nooooo, microsoft has to be special
Yep. One of the many reasons why this lifelong Windows user is not going to 11.
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- Change your profile picture to a clippy
- Check out the small web
- Check out geminispace and gopherspace
Can you link to these? Always looking for alternatives.
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
wrote last edited by [email protected]you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
