So the recent hate towards Pedro Pascal is JK and her loyalists making shit up because he spoke out that she's an awful person?
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Just want to make sure I have that right. He spoke up so now they are making shit up to try and defame him? Do I have this bullshit right?
It's truly beyond me how people have the energy to keep with celebrities
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It's truly beyond me how people have the energy to keep with celebrities
Since it's beyond you, I'll take the time to explain. Different people have different values. Some people think it's interesting to pay attention to the intersection of culture and politics... so they take their energy that isn't devoted to the necessary tasks of staying alive and devote some of it to following this.
Some people take that energy and participate in online communities. Instead of devoting that energy to that intersection, they post and comment. Its their energy and their value system.
Some people aren't interested in either. I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding.
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Since it's beyond you, I'll take the time to explain. Different people have different values. Some people think it's interesting to pay attention to the intersection of culture and politics... so they take their energy that isn't devoted to the necessary tasks of staying alive and devote some of it to following this.
Some people take that energy and participate in online communities. Instead of devoting that energy to that intersection, they post and comment. Its their energy and their value system.
Some people aren't interested in either. I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding.
Just here to explain the downvotes: "ChatGPT, come up with a response to someone who dislikes celebrities, use a touch of sarcasm and make the tone slightly condescending in a plausibly deniable way. Make it generic enough it could apply to almost any hobby, in order to trivialize their point".
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Just want to make sure I have that right. He spoke up so now they are making shit up to try and defame him? Do I have this bullshit right?
TERFs will just make shit up. It’s absolutely unhinged. Rowling also has them denying that Nazis killed trans people - they’ve started to claim that the Nazis issued “transvestite passes” (which the Weimar Republic did - famously not the Nazi government) based on a book of photographs someone published of Nazi soldiers doing drag.
The Nazis tortured and murdered trans people. Some did drag because they thought it was funny, heck the US military did official drag shows during WW2. People do drag because it’s funny, that doesn’t mean they accept trans people. It’s unhinged how willing people are to lie and spread the lies of others in order to justify their hate.
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Just here to explain the downvotes: "ChatGPT, come up with a response to someone who dislikes celebrities, use a touch of sarcasm and make the tone slightly condescending in a plausibly deniable way. Make it generic enough it could apply to almost any hobby, in order to trivialize their point".
Sincerity comes off as sarcasm to the insincere.
Saying my response was created by chatgpt is dismissive and not genuine critique.
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TERFs will just make shit up. It’s absolutely unhinged. Rowling also has them denying that Nazis killed trans people - they’ve started to claim that the Nazis issued “transvestite passes” (which the Weimar Republic did - famously not the Nazi government) based on a book of photographs someone published of Nazi soldiers doing drag.
The Nazis tortured and murdered trans people. Some did drag because they thought it was funny, heck the US military did official drag shows during WW2. People do drag because it’s funny, that doesn’t mean they accept trans people. It’s unhinged how willing people are to lie and spread the lies of others in order to justify their hate.
Yep doing drag shows because it's funny is the opposite of accepting trans people. It mocks them, and women too.
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Yep doing drag shows because it's funny is the opposite of accepting trans people. It mocks them, and women too.
Hey now, drag queens and kings aren't the enemy.
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Yep doing drag shows because it's funny is the opposite of accepting trans people. It mocks them, and women too.
It’s a performance art, and like any other form of performance it can be used to be shitty, but it’s not inherently mocking of women or trans people. Some of the stuff I’ve seen on RuPaul has made me cringe, but I’ve also seen queens that dress up like church marms and do a Betty Bowers/old school Colbert skewering of the Christian right.
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Hey now, drag queens and kings aren't the enemy.
To be clear I never meant to imply that they were, I wasn't talking about actual drag performances. I was talking about men dressing up as women because they think it's funny.
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It’s a performance art, and like any other form of performance it can be used to be shitty, but it’s not inherently mocking of women or trans people. Some of the stuff I’ve seen on RuPaul has made me cringe, but I’ve also seen queens that dress up like church marms and do a Betty Bowers/old school Colbert skewering of the Christian right.
I agree, I wasn't referring to actual drag performances, but to men dressing up as women only because they think it's funny!
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I agree, I wasn't referring to actual drag performances, but to men dressing up as women only because they think it's funny!
I don't really necessarily have a problem even then. Manly men dressing up in dresses is funny because it pokes fun at masculinity, not at trans people.
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Sincerity comes off as sarcasm to the insincere.
Saying my response was created by chatgpt is dismissive and not genuine critique.
I'll take you at face value if you say you were being sincere in your original posting, but it certainly didn't come across that way at all to me (and I assume most of the downvoters). Just another interesting example of how tone doesn't translate in online forums, I guess.
Relevant Kids in the Hall sketch:
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I'll take you at face value if you say you were being sincere in your original posting, but it certainly didn't come across that way at all to me (and I assume most of the downvoters). Just another interesting example of how tone doesn't translate in online forums, I guess.
Relevant Kids in the Hall sketch:
Do you think OP was sincere when they said it was beyond them?
I also don't see how the video you link to is relevant.
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Sincerity comes off as sarcasm to the insincere.
Saying my response was created by chatgpt is dismissive and not genuine critique.
FWIW, i didn't read that as anything but genuine.
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Do you think OP was sincere when they said it was beyond them?
I also don't see how the video you link to is relevant.
OP wasn't claiming to be sincere. You are.
Since you don't see how the link is relevant, I'll take the time to explain. The character played by David Foley in the Kids in the Hall sketch is not being intentionally sarcastic, but his affect is so sarcastic-seeming that the character played by Kevin MacDonald in the sketch is offended and leaves, despite Foley's good intentions and desire for human contact.
In the same way, your post, by your own declaration, is not meant to be sarcastic or condescending, but was certainly taken that way by me and probably by a large number of the folks who downvoted it. I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding.
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OP wasn't claiming to be sincere. You are.
Since you don't see how the link is relevant, I'll take the time to explain. The character played by David Foley in the Kids in the Hall sketch is not being intentionally sarcastic, but his affect is so sarcastic-seeming that the character played by Kevin MacDonald in the sketch is offended and leaves, despite Foley's good intentions and desire for human contact.
In the same way, your post, by your own declaration, is not meant to be sarcastic or condescending, but was certainly taken that way by me and probably by a large number of the folks who downvoted it. I hope this simple answer has bought it into your range of understanding.
I'm not claiming op was being sincere. I read him as sincere. It appears others are not. So he is insincere that this is beyond him. Rather that everything I wrote is understandable to him and he chose to be insincere. I imagine it's for some reason I don't understand. Do you understand?
Thank you for taking time to explain this to me. It is now in my range of understanding. I do not know why people have downvoted me. I think they disagree with me. I do not know why people upvoted me. I think they agreed with me.
I'm not sure if you take me at face value any more. I think you think I'm being condescending and sarcastic. Are you being insincere?
I am not being insincere.
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I don't really necessarily have a problem even then. Manly men dressing up in dresses is funny because it pokes fun at masculinity, not at trans people.
I think it makes more fun of feminity than masculinity.
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I'm not claiming op was being sincere. I read him as sincere. It appears others are not. So he is insincere that this is beyond him. Rather that everything I wrote is understandable to him and he chose to be insincere. I imagine it's for some reason I don't understand. Do you understand?
Thank you for taking time to explain this to me. It is now in my range of understanding. I do not know why people have downvoted me. I think they disagree with me. I do not know why people upvoted me. I think they agreed with me.
I'm not sure if you take me at face value any more. I think you think I'm being condescending and sarcastic. Are you being insincere?
I am not being insincere.
I am not being insincere.
Fair enough. I believe you. I don't think you're being sarcastic, but, even upon re-reading, your original response more readily comes across as sarcastic to me than sincere. I don't think you were being sarcastic, I'm just saying what the choice of words conveys to me. Again, I think that tone can get lost in online conversations and I understand that this is not what you were trying to convey.
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I am not being insincere.
Fair enough. I believe you. I don't think you're being sarcastic, but, even upon re-reading, your original response more readily comes across as sarcastic to me than sincere. I don't think you were being sarcastic, I'm just saying what the choice of words conveys to me. Again, I think that tone can get lost in online conversations and I understand that this is not what you were trying to convey.
Well thank you.
I reread it and I'm not seeing it. Can you point to any specific sentence that was particularly sarcastic? Elsewhere someone said the last sentence. I think I can see that. When I wrote it, I felt like I was helping.
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Well thank you.
I reread it and I'm not seeing it. Can you point to any specific sentence that was particularly sarcastic? Elsewhere someone said the last sentence. I think I can see that. When I wrote it, I felt like I was helping.
I read Gorilladrums statement:
"It’s truly beyond me how people have the energy to keep with celebrities"
as being sarcastic. I find it difficult to see it any other way. I read it as Gorilladrums expressing exasperation with cultural obsession with celebrity. I didn't read it as him asking for someone to explain it to him. I'm pretty sure that's the last thing he wanted. In that view of his post, which is the view that I assumed most folks reading his post would have, your response of explaining it to him in simplistic terms comes across as sarcasm and condescension. I understand now that this is not the context that you were viewing his post in.
Given my understanding of his post as an expression of exasperation with the culture of celebrity that does not expect or invite a response, I'd say both your first and final sentences come across as deliberate condescension, because both of them seem to imply that Gorilladrums didn't understand something, and required an explanation, when it seemed clear to me that he didn't expect or want. Therefore a response providing an explanation seemed like a teasing or a taunting in defense of celebrity culture that he was really just railing against. Again, I understand now that condescension was not your intention, and you were sincerely trying to assist.
A sincere question: is English your first language?
