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  • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

    The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.

    If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn't a pure-hearted hero, he's a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.

    But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it's basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.

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    Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero

    Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes

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      No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.

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      God forbid Superman ever get involved in politics, like Smashing the KKK or warning kids about landmines.

      And you can have more then one plot device in a movie. I'm actually tankful that the whole "defined by choices, not by birth" wasn't the only plot line because I've seen that one countless times by now. "Kindness is punk" is a counter cultural idea by now and was refreshing to see.

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      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

        Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero

        Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes

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            Delete your comment before the mods do.

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            1: They can come and take it
            2: Lol

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              The guy on the fence has a little kryptonite on his back is a nazi so he deserves it

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                Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.

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                Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.

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                  By dehumanizing them you're no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don't lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.

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                  Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I'm sure that will work.

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                    It's probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There's been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.

                    The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.

                    I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)

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                    I forget the title but there was a Superman game on original Xbox that gave Metropolis a health bar, Not Superman.

                    Beating up bad guys, stopping disasters and completing missions helped the city survive. Getting hit meant a few seconds where you were inactive and the city might take more damage.

                    It was a pretty inspired idea honestly. I don't think the game was excellent but good design choice.

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                      For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???

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                      I saw no lies in their comment?

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                        Death of Superman, Reign of Supermen, Superman Allstar. There are many film/scenarios, where superman has to fight someone actually stronger than he is. Even in Justice League Dark Apokolips, he is captured first, and then injected with Kryptonite.

                        Your friend needs to watch/read more DC content.

                        Some more examples with spoilers below.

                        ::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
                        He even got mind controlled by Poison Ivy once. Hell, in the new game, Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, he is mind controlled by Brainiac, and Wonder Woman having Kryptonite didn't protect her from Superman.

                        Superman has also done questionable things, even without being mind controlled, like in Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, it is implied that he ripped out one arm of Oliver Queen, aka, Green Arrow, who was also member of Justice League, because the government of USA wanted to stop vigilantes. Then he also almost killed Batman, after being almost killed by Batman.
                        :::

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                        I get what you're saying. The person in question knew more about the original source material than I ever have, and I'm just relaying their opinion.

                        I'm usually entertained by Superman stories, personally. They might be boring, they might be woke, they might be a million things, but as long as I find them entertaining, then I'll keep watching.

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                          Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I'm sure that will work.

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                          The thing is, I'm not pleading for their respect. I won't get it. I just won't lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument "see, they are doing the same".

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                            Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero

                            Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes

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                            It's for the greater good.

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                              I forget the title but there was a Superman game on original Xbox that gave Metropolis a health bar, Not Superman.

                              Beating up bad guys, stopping disasters and completing missions helped the city survive. Getting hit meant a few seconds where you were inactive and the city might take more damage.

                              It was a pretty inspired idea honestly. I don't think the game was excellent but good design choice.

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                              Theater was the Superman Returns movie tie-in. The game wasn't good, but the health system for the city was a neat idea, and the flying was AMAZING.

                              There's never been a bad game with an element I enjoyed so much as Superman Returns and the flying.

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                                Your edited quotes are really stupid. How do you have any conversations in good faith?

                                Its rage-baiting and i would rather not have conversations with pretentious and obnoxious people like you.

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                                edited quotes

                                Not quotes. Just referring to what im responding to.

                                in good faith

                                Dude you're not even willing to think about the udeas youre telling me what to believe about

                                rage baiting

                                No the concept just made you uncomfortable. Different.

                                pretentious and obnoxious

                                True but not pertinent.

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                                  It's for the greater good.

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                                  The greater good!

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                                    Absolutely.

                                    I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone... But he doesn't, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.

                                    It's part of the reason Zach Schneider's Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.

                                    Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.

                                    A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.

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                                    I think it's a challenge to make superman interesting because he's both so powerful and so good. That's why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he's a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe's equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn't have anywhere near Superman's power, which is why it's easier to write interesting stories with him.

                                    You're completely right that that's the mindblowing part of Superman -- that he has all this power, but he doesn't use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.

                                    I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you're at the top, it's because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn't make sense if your world view is that might is right.

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                                      Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero

                                      Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes

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                                      I feel like this might need some context.

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                                        I saw no lies in their comment?

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                                        I never said they lied, I said they were right and blind blind at the same time.

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                                          Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.

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                                          Because "woke"/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.

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