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  • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

    The entire clippy thing baffles me.

    Let's use the mascot of Microsoft, a tech giant who invades every inch that they can, to say we don't like tech giants!

    I don't think any company that uses AI or scrapes data gives two shits what your avatar is. It's the equivalent of changing your twitter profile to show support for the victims of something, and then carrying on as usual.

    Microsoft would kill for Clippy to be remembered as a friend. Because that just sanewashes their history as a company when clippy was a thing. Yes, please ignore the anti-trust busting in Congress. Please ignore how we made computers worse for the end user by restricting what you can do on your purchased computer.

    "Clippy was your friend. Clippy didn't want to steal your data. Clippy just wanted to help."

    Help infantize the masses with "It looks like you're writing a document, do you want help with that? Yes, or maybe later?"

    This entire clippy thing is just basically free whitewashing and advertising for Microsoft, one of the biggest players in the reasons why people use the avatar.

    At least invent something new, if it's about protecting artists, instead of copying a jpg from a 90s corporate milquetoast mascot.

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    The thing is, we have to be reasonable with our expectations. You or I may remember that Microsoft has always been shady and anti consumer, most people don't. They remember a time when you bought things and owned them, and it didn't feel like we were being nickel and dimed quite so hard. We are not going to start an anti Microsoft (or whatever corporation) movement and actually be able to rile the masses to support that cause, but we might at least be able to get them to demand things go back to the quality they were at 30 years ago

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    • J [email protected]

      Clippy is a symbol of a decent company, pre-enshittification

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      #71

      Kids these days don't know about the Microsoft anti-monopoly suit sagas, or how the world felt about Bill Gates before he spent several decades and millions of dollars scrubbing his PR. They've always been awful and generally reviled, from the start.

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      • B [email protected]

        At least in the US, companies have a legal fiduciary duty to protect their investors interests above all else.

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        A change made through court cases in the mid-century. Basically the result of a neoliberal ideological campaign that first normalized the feduciary duty concept in the business world before forcing it on board rooms through the justice system. Before that, boards of companies could make decisions on ethical grounds and not just fiscal grounds. Today, that precedent has transformed boardrooms into terrifying financial automatons.

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        • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

          Microsoft is dismantling itself to keep "doing well". That's my point

          Their gaming division keeps acquiring and killing game studios. They're killing off consoles, instead they're going to sell prebuilds running windows. They're scaling it all way back and releasing their exclusives, letting steam run the infrastructure, and milking all of their current IP, but not really making more

          They've ended support for a ton of different product lines. Azure is a mess. Their desktop market share is falling too.

          They're all in on AI at this point, literally every tool they offer has it now. It's not even opt in, it doesn't require an account anymore... They're desperate to inflate the numbers so they can project growth a little longer

          What do you think happens when you continuously lay off your workforce and kill projects? When you stop actually doing things, and run a company based on speculation?

          Eventually, the bubble pops.

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          #73

          Microsoft for 8 years now is a company that sells Linux and opensource.

          Non of their divisions you mentioned were profitable for many years now(especially Windows), just look at their yearly reports. Only logical to get rid of them. Don't agree with your Azure statement, don't mind me, numbers don't agree with it.

          I don't get why you wrote so much about gaming, Microsoft never was a gaming company. And frankly nothing important for gamers was lost with them buying those empty shells of game developer companies, then shutting them down.

          I can agree on the AI hype especially with recent github news. But those are recent, we'll have to see if that was bad or good decision.

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            https://analognowhere.com/_/oumuti/

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            #74

            And we, working class traitors that we are, would have helped it.

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            • thisisamanwhoknowshowtogling@lemmy.dbzer0.comT [email protected]

              Random Trivia: I gotta start doing this in all my comments

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              Random trivia: you can problematize anything if you're good enough

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                https://analognowhere.com/_/oumuti/

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                Random trivia: there was also a dog

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                  Microsoft for 8 years now is a company that sells Linux and opensource.

                  Non of their divisions you mentioned were profitable for many years now(especially Windows), just look at their yearly reports. Only logical to get rid of them. Don't agree with your Azure statement, don't mind me, numbers don't agree with it.

                  I don't get why you wrote so much about gaming, Microsoft never was a gaming company. And frankly nothing important for gamers was lost with them buying those empty shells of game developer companies, then shutting them down.

                  I can agree on the AI hype especially with recent github news. But those are recent, we'll have to see if that was bad or good decision.

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                  I don't know how else to explain it to you. Microsoft is doing well on paper

                  These unprofitable divisions? This is the result of the layoffs. This is what happens when you stop doing the thing, and you start living in speculation land

                  Azure is a mess propped up by AI. The numbers don't account for shuffling money around. It's related to why every Microsoft product has ai shoved into it

                  And I'm keep bringing up gaming because their gaming division is the most egregious example of what I'm talking about. They're the third largest game publisher, and they've played a huge part killing AAA gaming. And in doing so, they've killed their own revenue stream

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                  • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                    The entire clippy thing baffles me.

                    Let's use the mascot of Microsoft, a tech giant who invades every inch that they can, to say we don't like tech giants!

                    I don't think any company that uses AI or scrapes data gives two shits what your avatar is. It's the equivalent of changing your twitter profile to show support for the victims of something, and then carrying on as usual.

                    Microsoft would kill for Clippy to be remembered as a friend. Because that just sanewashes their history as a company when clippy was a thing. Yes, please ignore the anti-trust busting in Congress. Please ignore how we made computers worse for the end user by restricting what you can do on your purchased computer.

                    "Clippy was your friend. Clippy didn't want to steal your data. Clippy just wanted to help."

                    Help infantize the masses with "It looks like you're writing a document, do you want help with that? Yes, or maybe later?"

                    This entire clippy thing is just basically free whitewashing and advertising for Microsoft, one of the biggest players in the reasons why people use the avatar.

                    At least invent something new, if it's about protecting artists, instead of copying a jpg from a 90s corporate milquetoast mascot.

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                    I don't interpret it as "once upon a time, Microsoft was a good company", I interpret it as "this meme-y and goofy character gave the maximum amount of assistance and intrusion I would like in the products I use". I think anyone would agree that Louis is pro-consumers and tend not to think highly of any megacorp.

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                    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netG [email protected]

                      Random trivia: there was also a dog

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                      And a wizard, genie, cat, robot and more

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                      • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                        I don't know how else to explain it to you. Microsoft is doing well on paper

                        These unprofitable divisions? This is the result of the layoffs. This is what happens when you stop doing the thing, and you start living in speculation land

                        Azure is a mess propped up by AI. The numbers don't account for shuffling money around. It's related to why every Microsoft product has ai shoved into it

                        And I'm keep bringing up gaming because their gaming division is the most egregious example of what I'm talking about. They're the third largest game publisher, and they've played a huge part killing AAA gaming. And in doing so, they've killed their own revenue stream

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                        You explained it quite well, I just didn't think you were serious.

                        Let's go back to my original question. A company that's dismantling itself for a quarterly profit. Obviously Microsoft doesn't fit since they are doing it for many years now and are still going strong even if just on paper like you say.

                        So according to your analysis when will it be dismantled? Will they go down in 3 months as a punishment for the latest quarterly profit? Maybe a year? 5 years? Will it happen in this century?

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                          You explained it quite well, I just didn't think you were serious.

                          Let's go back to my original question. A company that's dismantling itself for a quarterly profit. Obviously Microsoft doesn't fit since they are doing it for many years now and are still going strong even if just on paper like you say.

                          So according to your analysis when will it be dismantled? Will they go down in 3 months as a punishment for the latest quarterly profit? Maybe a year? 5 years? Will it happen in this century?

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                          It's going to come to head in the next 5 years. Before 2030 for sure. Maybe even next year. Depends on how quickly the collapse happens - my bet is on painfully slow. Just an inevitable reality, slowly playing out year over year

                          We're in a bubble. Obviously. Pay attention. The speculation doesn't line up with reality. Eventually, it will reconcile with reality

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                          • vieuxqueb@lemmy.caV [email protected]

                            You used to be able to tell what every process was doing on your computer. Nowadays there are so many processes running and they all have tons of child processes that you can't tell what is doing what.

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                            This is why I use Linux

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                            • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                              It's going to come to head in the next 5 years. Before 2030 for sure. Maybe even next year. Depends on how quickly the collapse happens - my bet is on painfully slow. Just an inevitable reality, slowly playing out year over year

                              We're in a bubble. Obviously. Pay attention. The speculation doesn't line up with reality. Eventually, it will reconcile with reality

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                              That's great news. Will be waiting for it.

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                              • D [email protected]

                                Could be wrong, but that looks like a generative AI version of Clippy. It doesn't look like an actual paperclip and the text bubble is coming out of his eyes.

                                So using big tech to mock the use of a big tech logo to fight big tech is like 2 layers of irony.

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                                "You criticize society, yet you partake in it. Curious!"

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                                • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                                  He would have tried to sell your data if he could have. Clippy would use Recall 24/7 if he could have.

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                                  Are we debating whether we like or dislike the particular flavor of the chosen symbol for consumer activism? "Maybe if it was cornflower blue?"

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