Is It Just Me?
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What if the point of AI is to have it create a personal model for each of us, using the vast amounts of our data they have access to, in order to manipulate us into buying and doing whatever the people who own it want but they can't just come out and say that?
I'm sure that's at least part of the idea but I'm yet to see any evidence that it won't also be dog shit at that. It doesn't have the context window or foresight to conceive of a decent plot twist in a piece of fiction despite having access to every piece of fiction ever written. I'm not buying that it would be able to build a psychological model and contextualize 40 plus years of lived experience in a way that could get me to buy a $20 Dubai chocolate bar or drive a Chevy.
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No line breaks and capitalization? Can somebody ask AI to format it properly, please?
being anti-AI is making me feel like I'm going insane. "You asked for thoughts about your character’s backstory and I put it into ChatGPT for ideas." Studies have proven it’s making people dumber. "I asked AI to generate this meal plan." It’s causing water shortages where its data centers are built. "I’ll generate some pictures for the DnD campaign." It’s spreading misinformation. "Meta, generate an image of this guy doing something stupid." It’s trained off stolen images, writing, video, audio. "I was talking with my Snapchat AI." There’s no way to verify what it’s doing with the information it collects. "YouTube is implementing AI-based age verification." My work has an entire graphics media department and has still put AI-generated motivational posters up everywhere. AI playlists. AI facial verification. Google AI. Microsoft AI. Meta AI. Snapchat AI.
Everyone treats it as a novelty. Everyone treats it as a mandatory part of life. Am I the only one who sees it? Am I paranoid? Am I going insane? Jesus fucking Christ.
If I have to hear one more "Well at least—", "But it does—", "But you can—" I’m about to lose it.
I shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to avoid the evil machine. Have you no principles? No goddamn spine? Am I the weird one here?
Still shoddy.
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Yeah it definitely has its uses. OP wasn't saying it's never useful, I think you may have missed the forest for the trees.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The whole premise is about avoiding it at all costs and that being difficult to do. Where in that ranty wall is a statement about the utility of AI?
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Luckily, hating Tesla and AI are now personality trait, right, wrong, or indifferent.
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Reminder that these people existed when the radio was invented.
You can't put everything back in Pandoras box but amid all the negative you latch on to there's a sliver of positivity and we have to protect that.
Anyone who is anti-AI, I get it. You need to understand there's no going back. We can help control the path forward.
That’s a bit of a false analogy because radio never threatened to take away millions of people’s livelihoods.
A more apt comparison would be the actual Luddites during the Industrial Revolution who smashed machines because massive amounts of people were being turned off the land and their traditional economic activities were unable to compete with machine based production.
People don’t just hate AI because it’s new, they hate it because it will condemn millions of people to poverty while making a handful of rich people even more rich.
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And suddenly we’re talking about locally hosted models I guess? You’re just contorting your argument and cherry picking the single part of the deeply problematic technology you could possibly defend. It’s disingenuous and you’re just poorly covering it up with condescension.
Yeah, and electricity can kill you and start fires, that's why we only use it in controlled equipment. Bleach can kill you too, that's why I only defend it to clean the house. I also only defend knifes to chop vegetables, not to murder babies. What a dumb argument: "you only defend technology X for its good uses, and not for killing kittens".
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And Google would never lie about how much energy a prompt costs, right?
Especially not since they have an invested interest in having people use their AI products, right?
... They're kind of governed by law about what things they're allowed to tell their stockholders.
And before you try to say otherwise, yes, laws that protect the ownership class are still being enforced.
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Yeah, and electricity can kill you and start fires, that's why we only use it in controlled equipment. Bleach can kill you too, that's why I only defend it to clean the house. I also only defend knifes to chop vegetables, not to murder babies. What a dumb argument: "you only defend technology X for its good uses, and not for killing kittens".
The post isn’t about locally hosted models amigo.
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My hope is that the ai bubble/trend might have a silver lining overall.
I’m hoping that people start realizing that it is often confidently incorrect. That while it makes some tasks faster, a person will still need to vet the answers.
Here’s the stretch. My hope is that by questioning and researching to verify the answers ai is giving them, people start applying this same skepticism to their daily lives to help filter out all the noise and false information that is getting shoved down their throats every minute of every day.
So that the populace in general can become more resistant to the propaganda. AI would effectively be a vaccine to boost our herd immunity to BS.
Like I said. It’s a hope.
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Why does profit matter? I don't personally give a shit about the longevity, margins or market share of any company invested in the technology, but I am generally in favor of research and development of any technology. In most research it's hard to predict the future applications.
That's not to say development is always smart, or safe, or ethical, just that it has to happen in order to see where this goes. Even if there's an end point it's helpful to know where it is.
Unfortunately, capitalism requires a sacrifice to the economy in order to pursue anything. That's what sucks about this. If we weren't hard wired to justify existence in capital there wouldn't be so much occlusive hype around it.
Why does profit matter? . . . but I am generally in favor of research and development of any technology. In most research it's hard to predict the future applications.
Answered your own question there.
If we weren't hard wired to justify existence in capital there wouldn't be so much occlusive hype around it.
Can't argue with that. It is almost entirely a cash grab that is astonishing in its overreach and astounding in its apparent failure.
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One thing I don't get with people fearing AI is when something adds AI and suddenly it's a privacy nightmare. Yeah, in some cases it does make it worse, but in most cases, what was stopping the company from taking your data anyways? LLMs are just algorithms that process data and output something, they don't inherently give firms any additional data. Now, in some cases that means data that previously wasn't or that shouldn't be sent to a server is now being sent, but I've seen people complain about privacy so often in cases where I don't understand why AI is your tipping point, if you don't trust the company to not store your data when using AI, why trust it in the first place?
if you don't trust the company to not store your data when using AI, why trust it in the first place?
Policies, procedures, and common sense - three things AI is most assuredly not known for respecting. (Not that the whole topic of data privacy isn't a huge issue outside of AI)
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Yeah. But then being a vertibrate is always lonely and kinda rough.
always lonely
I don't know, some rodents seem to make it work. Naked mole rats, beavers, prairie dogs... (I wouldn't include herd animals, though; sure, they're always surrounded by others, but there's no sense of community, it's always everyone for themselves, and screw whoever's slowest... perfect example of being alone in a multitude)
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Meanwhile, we have people making the web worse by not linking to source & giving us images of text instead of proper, accessible, searchable, failure tolerant text.
Normally I would agree, but Twitter and Discord are the sole exceptions. The original sources can get hit by meteors for all I care. No... I hope their datacenters do get hit, with no one in them of course.
It is silly that people think not posting text can somehow stop LLM crawlers.
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It did help me make a basic script and add it to task scheduler so it runs and fixes my broken WiFi card so I don't have to manually do it. (or better said, helped me avoid asking arrogant people that feel smug when I tell them I haven't opened a command prompt in ten years)
That is pretty cool, but it would have been possible, as someone else mentioned before AI ruined search, and there's still an "unknown" element (unless you've checked it line by line and know what everything does and have confirmed that's the best way to do it) that would not be there otherwise.
If the entirety of the AI hype was "a small script helper tool to get you started and tackle little things like startup scripts" I don't think anyone would have such a problem with it.
The post is more about the ubiquity of the hype and the utter refusal to acknowledge the obvious limitations and risks.
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Yeah, well, one can be an ML tinkerer/enthusiast and still despise all this shit.
I'm quantizing a few variants of a new 36B LLM to test now. I love it! Its great, and puts some closed source stuff to shame, and it's my hobby.
...Doesn't mean I want AI slop posters shoved in my face either, or shoehorned into every crevice it doesn't belong.
That doesn't really matter because I'm like a microscopic part of the population, but still, I hate being grouped as 'pro AI' when I hate tech bros even more than whoever's reading this, probably.
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AI has been AI since the 50s.
AI has had multiple boom and bust times since then. Quantum hasn't ever "happened" yet.
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My boss had GPT make this informational poster thing for work. Its supposed to explain stuff to customers and is rampant with spelling errors and garbled text. I pointed it out to the boss and she said it was good enough for people to read. My eye twitches every time I see it.
I think that's exactly what the author was referring to.
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I don't think it's just you. Like it wasn't just one person thinking computers would make us dumb or the automobile making us lazy. I'm betting that someone somewhere thought that cooking food on the fire would make us weaker.
Technology has that ability to generate opposition from status quo.
And as with any technology, there are good uses, bad uses and frivolous uses.
Remember the awful nonsense web pages of the early 90's?
I think AI will make the life's of some of us easier. But I also think it will continue widening the digital divide.
The biggest concern is that, by nature, AI needs massive amounts of power which can only be paid by people with big resources and those people are training it. AI has the trainer's bias.
However, end consumer AI is the tip of the iceberg. AI will succeed when we don't even realize it's there.
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Probably how people felt who were against the development of the printing press or internet.
Its a good tool. Often used wrong but a good tool if used right and with humans actually checking and fixing the results.
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Meanwhile, we have people making the web worse by not linking to source & giving us images of text instead of proper, accessible, searchable, failure tolerant text.
So hating the AI hypenukes is 'old man yelling at cloud' but only being allowed to grab images of text is "people" making the web worse? Point made with an image of minimal text? from lemmynsfw?
Well goddamn.
