What’s even the appeal of Linux?
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
Well, you actually own it for one, given Linux is an open platform, you're generally not at some corporation's will unlike with closed platforms like Windows or even macOS, you're also not arbitrarily locked out of running it on hardware made before a certain date unlike with Win11; as long as the kernel supports it, it should run on your hardware, where Windows arbitrarily locks out anything older than Zen+ or Kaby Lake without a modded install medium starting with Win11, and it generally uses less resources than Windows nowadays although that varies based on configuration.
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Alternatively yay install [software] or flatpak install [software]
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Similar here but in reverse
- macOSX on my work laptop
- windows n my home laptop
- raspbian and Ubuntu on my home servers
- Rocky and Amazon Linux on my work servers
- but realistically most of my non-work activity is on iOS
- macOS on my work laptop. As an app developer this is my only option
- macOS on my personal laptop. As an app developer this is my only option
- raspbian on my home server
- daily drive iOS
- I dabble in Android on the side, but mostly just to test my apps
But I pretty much just need Tmux, Neovim, and a browser for 80% of my work and I’m happy. 10% of that is running an XCode build and the other 10% is macOS and iOS working really nicely together.
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What niche stuff are you manually installing that somehow takes hours on Linux, and is instant and easy on Windows?
Stuff like java, tetrd, local AI stuff.
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fair, but considering that you mentioned autoruns and such, i guess you need more specialised things anyways, so maybe kionite just isn’t for you.
i don’t use it either, but for my normie friends who need nothing but a browser, office, and mby steam (in that case mby bazzite), its awesomeI will probably write a script to autorun everything i have in a folder or something eventually i think.
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If you want to learn about Linux on a deeper level Mint is probably not the best choice for it, since it aims at providing a Distros for non tech literate users. For this goal I would recommend Arch Linux, since the installation an maintaining teaches you quite a bit. Main Problem is, that Arch is sometimes quite unstable. If you like to suffer to learn you can also try out Gentoo or NixOS or crea[e your own Linux with Linux from scratch.
I would try arch one day except i have a job lol
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Stuff like java, tetrd, local AI stuff.
Why do those take you hours to install on Linux and no time on Windows?
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Windows is objectively hard to use, and makes it harder to use with every release. I wasn't saying Linux is particularly easy (though depending on the distro I'd say it's definitely easier than Windows), but more that feeling like windows is easy to use is just being used to it.
The difference is really, I dont have to look stuff up usually to change things on windows. In linux you have to do most things with obscure shell commands and arguments that i dont know.
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I would try arch one day except i have a job lol
It is Not that Bad. The installation isnt that hard, if you use a tutorial. In terms of maintaining its mostly a "hit or miss" scenario. I heard from people who had no issues at all and from people who ran into issues all of the time. I can say, that I did not have that much problems. In about 2 years of relative frequent use of arch I only bricked my system once, leading to my is being unfixable and me having to reinstall the whole OS. I ran into smaller problems of which, except for one, where I found a manual temporary workaround and couldn't bother to fix it completely, all could be fixed. I would not recommend to use it on a machine, where you can't risk eventually having to fix it for one or two days.
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Good to know, i havnt researched mint much, but im trying to find the most simple system so i can learn linux on a deep level. Basically the temple OS or Dos or windows XP of linux. Not simple as in UI but in file system and stuff. Debian lets me install KDE which i like so the UI side is fine. Its a bit trickier to understand overlay file systems and stuff.
Maybe half of the software I use is in the discover store. I for whatever reason end up using quite a bit of niche software. I have improved a good bit with installing from scripts and stuff. Sometimes i need to install stuff into the OS tree to get it to work and use propeitary binaries. Installing java, AI dev tools, certian versions of Python to get software to work or compile Its annoying, but im moving to debian which should help with many of these things if i can manage to get it installed.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Java, AI dev tools, and Python, are all not linux-specific things what so ever.
You speak as someone who thinks you know more than you do. I suggest ACTUALLY getting back to basics, ACTUALLY learn the linux file system like its folder structure and how it treats everything like a file, ACTUALLY learn how most linux distros primarily use package managers and what those are, and ACTUALLY learn how all the tools you want to use exist as separate entities with their own designs and philosophies. Then maybe how all of the software components in Linux are chopped up and distributed might make more sense.
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Linux is objectivly hard to use. Sure if you use it everyday for years and years and memorize all the commands and stuff, you can probably figure out most stuff without searching, but as someone who has only been using Linux for a few years, and is a mere amature C++ programmer, installing anything or even doing basic tasks is often a multi hour process, that requires a snack and a nap afterwards, with a maybe 50% success rate. Just adding a script to autorun at boot was something that took me a few hours and probably dozens of lines of shell. Im moving to debian soon though, which should maybe help since i dont have to deal with containers and and overlay filesystem and all that nonsense. Linux really needs to lean into UI development, simplicity, and intutive design. I still struggle to find files in linux without links. KDE has come a long way in recent years. I can now do things like scale my screen size without hours of research, shell hacking, and autoruns. Linux will never become mainstream unless the typical user can do nearly everything without ever touching the shell. That has always been the thing that has held Linux back besides game compatability. Now that valve is finally creating a more normie friendly version of linux with game compatability and a sort of complete UI. It might actually overtake windows. Its still a massive pain in the butt compared to windows- double click an exe or msi to install your software. If i need to find a file on Windows, I don't even need a search function. I can just find it in less then a minute. Linux definitly has some big flaws and bad design decisions. Modern womdows isnoretty terrible compared to 7 and before but it is still much easier to use for almost every task.
installing anything
I've been using Mint and KDE Neon on two of my machines for the past year, and I still have to search for how to install an app image properly.
Its one of those things that isn't the end of the world, and I guess there are increasing numbers of Snap/Flatpak packages. And, of course apt. And whatever application manager your distro comes with.
But some software is available either to be compiled by the user, or as an app image. And I don't understand why that image can't just be dropped in an application folder and run, the same way it works in macOS.
But I'm a relative noob. I assume there's a historical reason.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
What finally pushed me over the edge was when I was trying to fix something in Windows and it said I couldn’t access that part of the OS. Bitch, you work for me, not the other way around. I’ve flopped back and forth between Linux and Windows for decades and just decided that anything I couldn’t do in Linux I just wouldn’t do. So far, I haven’t really encountered anything. With how much of my average computing is done in a browser these days, Firefox doesn’t really care which OS it’s running on.
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Java, AI dev tools, and Python, are all not linux-specific things what so ever.
You speak as someone who thinks you know more than you do. I suggest ACTUALLY getting back to basics, ACTUALLY learn the linux file system like its folder structure and how it treats everything like a file, ACTUALLY learn how most linux distros primarily use package managers and what those are, and ACTUALLY learn how all the tools you want to use exist as separate entities with their own designs and philosophies. Then maybe how all of the software components in Linux are chopped up and distributed might make more sense.
You are delusional.
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Which is a nano clone.
Which is a Windows Notepad clone
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...like?
Nearly everything that edits text. Maybe with the lone exception of edlin or sed.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
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Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
Vim is kinda like a game. Except instead of a, s, w, d its h, j, k, l
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Good to know, i havnt researched mint much, but im trying to find the most simple system so i can learn linux on a deep level. Basically the temple OS or Dos or windows XP of linux. Not simple as in UI but in file system and stuff. Debian lets me install KDE which i like so the UI side is fine. Its a bit trickier to understand overlay file systems and stuff.
Maybe half of the software I use is in the discover store. I for whatever reason end up using quite a bit of niche software. I have improved a good bit with installing from scripts and stuff. Sometimes i need to install stuff into the OS tree to get it to work and use propeitary binaries. Installing java, AI dev tools, certian versions of Python to get software to work or compile Its annoying, but im moving to debian which should help with many of these things if i can manage to get it installed.
Managing multiple versions of python and other dev tooling can be made simple with something like:
Or
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
wrote last edited by [email protected]It depends on the user.
If you'll install GNU/Linux distribution as a nooby, choose some easy distribution - most probably it will install a lot of bloatware, and possibly could be unstable...
But if you'll go into details and learn the basic you could install some better distro, which you will install manually, and you will install all you need, no bloat.
If you will, here are the perks:- Stability (it also depends on your hardware.. NVIDIA for example is pretty bad, but Intel or AMD is great. Must be better stability than on Windows, if you'll not fk up)
- Performance (since you installed everything by yourself, and you will have no bloat, telemetry and etc. you will run the OS with great performance)
- Security (vulns on big distros are getting fixed fastly, and there are less vulns than on Windows, also less viruses you could get on a desktop)
- Customizability (you could change anything you want, desktop environment, sometimes init system, pretty much anything but it depends on a distro and your skills)
Me, as a.. I would say half a professional GNU/Linux user, would recommend Void Linux for half-experienced or experienced user, because I like the runit init system and the stability, even though it's rolling model.
But for a newbie... I don't know. All of them I tried - they had problems. So it's better to either endure, either start from a not-so-hard distro like Void Linux.
EDIT: oh yeah.. I read a lot of comments here and I would also add that the system is free, open-source (with Linux-libre), and it's also not so bad at gaming since Steam made Proton, a fork of Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator). I also game sometimes and I use Lutris.. Don't know if there any other cooler alternative heh.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
- Lighter
- Better on weaker hardware
- More options how you set up your system: Desktop Environments/Window Managers.
- Free and Open Source (so no paying out the arse for Windows).
- More Software options.
- Better Security.
- No monitoring by your OS provider.
