The internet kind of sucks right now
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You forgot about influencers who will read your knowledge and present as theirs in their videos.
Abolish intellectual property
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I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system..
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I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system..
Because UI/UX beats any abstract things like privacy & data ownership.
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What if we made it so that the text that any use posts in the forum website has a bunch of nonsense letters mixed in between the letters they posted, but they're all set to a REALLY small font or even taking no space thanks to those special characters, and colored in such a way to make them disappear into the background? That way when a person reads it makes sense but when a scraper gets it it'll just be a jumbled useless mess!
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What prevents Discord from selling the chat logs to AI companies?
Discord's complete lack of indexing. Although it's definitely not impossible to scrape data from Discord it would take more resources than say reddit.
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I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system..
Go for the voicechats, stay for the poorly organized forum megathread experience
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What if we made it so that the text that any use posts in the forum website has a bunch of nonsense letters mixed in between the letters they posted, but they're all set to a REALLY small font or even taking no space thanks to those special characters, and colored in such a way to make them disappear into the background? That way when a person reads it makes sense but when a scraper gets it it'll just be a jumbled useless mess!
Then search engines wouldn't find anything from the forum either.
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Discord's complete lack of indexing. Although it's definitely not impossible to scrape data from Discord it would take more resources than say reddit.
But they Index everything.
Just request your data and you’ll get a neat package of all your messages with timestamps and all. -
Discord's complete lack of indexing. Although it's definitely not impossible to scrape data from Discord it would take more resources than say reddit.
If an AI company pays Discord they won't scrape but get the data directly.
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I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system..
To build up a close (the two definitions of "close") community. To speak freely (even if you have to respect the TnCs of Discord + community guidelines.)
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Self hosting is the way.
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Got a lot "knowledge" AI companies are after?
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The forum I call home tolerates a lot of hate speech.
I think I'm out, but it's less about the AI scraping and more about moderation.
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Its been shit since covid. Everyone constantly online, and really ramping up the stupid as fuck culture wars. "Back in my day" I could log into a chat room, have some fun conversations, and then log off without getting pissed off or pissed on. I could look at movie news, and not be swapped by performative hate or praise for whatever fucking movie is or isnt "woke".
Everywhere you go, you see "Be civil" or "Be respectful". But all that really means is, dont question out echo chamber. And if you do, well, turns out not being civil towards you doesnt count.
Left and right doesnt matter. Its all hate and performative praise as far as the eye can see.
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Self hosting is the way.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Doesn't really solve the AI scraping or the silo problem and as Codeberg found out recently, solving the AI scraping DDOS is never ending
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If I'm going to share my information and knowledge publicly on an Internet site, I'd like everyone to have fair and open access to it, not at the whims of a multinational corp to gatekeep for me. So the fact that AI can access it too doesn't discourage me.
You have information from me because I choose to share it, not because a site has demanded I give it up without a clear benefit to me in return.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think there's a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there's an even more immediate problem. They don't rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.
They're in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.
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(IANAL) Wouldn't this count as fair use since the AI sex bot is only using snippets?
That's currently being argued in the courts. There's a lot that goes into it from right to distribution, to proving that although the AI bot can't reproduce everything even though it normally doesn't.
[https://arstechnica.com/features/2025/06/study-metas-llama-3-1-can-recall-42-percent-of-the-first-harry-potter-book/](A very real example of reproducibility)There's also arguments about how they accessed large amounts of content. The law doesn't just recognize whether you can access something or not, but what you access it for. There's laws about accessing things with the sole purpose of using it to develop a commercial product. All of it is a tangled mess that there's no current clear answer to (legally, morally I think there is but that's very opinionated)
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Depends on the forum, plenty of echo chambers out there...
A lot of the forums I'm seeing talked about where more technical or objective kinds. Like in a car forum there'd be repair manuals or parts lists, fountain pen forums would have loads of images comparing inks side by side for different shades and hues. Those are the sorts of knowledge centers being discussed and reminisced about a lot here.
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I think there's a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there's an even more immediate problem. They don't rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.
They're in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.
That is definitely a problem that needs to be dealt with, since AI scrapers hogging bandwidth or making sites inaccessible means it is hampering equal access to everyone. Ignoring conventions and not rate limiting itself are harmful to the open internet.
So yes, those kinds of AI scraping behaviours should be mitigated, but on the principle of AI ingesting my public data, I'm not against it, if it can access it reasonably and fairly like anyone else.
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Then search engines wouldn't find anything from the forum either.
True... But what if the forum had its own search engine that could ignore the anti-scraping stuff? The issue would be making a good search engine lol
