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  • S [email protected]

    This is for stuff going on a literal space ship. I'm sure procurement was super strict on there.

    Imagine getting some defective stuff (or even worse, stuff contaminated with bacteria or something like that).

    I don't think they'd just let some intern tun over to the local walmart and grab supplies from there for supplies for the space shuttle.

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    I suspect the strictness isn't with the procurement process where a contracting officer defines very specific criteria in compliance with acquisition regulations and submits the process to competitive bids. The strictness is in the mission parameters where NASA's ownership of the thing has already been established, but the NASA employees in a strict hierarchical decisionmaking process need to justify why a thing that NASA already owns should be included in the packing list on a mission.

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      If he's my friend, I'd tell him to pick up the beer on the way over. Let him deal with it.

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      Yeah this is the actual solution. With that said, I would be fucking stoked if I showed up to a friends house and they showered me with 100 beers.

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        I suspect the strictness isn't with the procurement process where a contracting officer defines very specific criteria in compliance with acquisition regulations and submits the process to competitive bids. The strictness is in the mission parameters where NASA's ownership of the thing has already been established, but the NASA employees in a strict hierarchical decisionmaking process need to justify why a thing that NASA already owns should be included in the packing list on a mission.

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        In the end, same result. I guess it would be much harder to get a pack of stuff from Walmart onto a mission than something from a certified supplier who has a datasheet and certifications for the item. And having to order 100pcs of a very cheap product even though less would have sufficed isn't a good reason to instead have to certify tampons of unknown origin manually.

        Just launching the space shuttle costed $24mio per flight (in 1977 money), so saving a dollar or two by buying fewer tampons was clearly not a priority.

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        • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          Yup. It is indeed. I just wanted to add info.

          Sometimes I seem sodas in 0.355 cans, mostly red bull. Somewhat uncommon size here imo, and I'm just wondering where theyre used. 0.355 seems like a US size, but the bottles I got from Germany were mostly 0.33l aa well. Although the cans were like 0.6l

          Just wondering how prevalent and mismatched the standards are

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          355mL is 12 fl oz in Freedom Units™, and is the most common soda/beer size in the US. Red Bull and other such energy drinks tend to come in a smaller form factor, oddly enough.

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            Ask me how much alcohol and different drugs, including rarely known ones like 25l-nbome I've used. Medical field and drugs have always fascinated me, hence my excessive reading on it and the potential dangers associated with them. What I said isn't also some hard-coded event that will most definitely happen, it's actually mostly down to genetics where some will deal with said substances better than others. Look up super-hangover gene (forgot what was it called ironically)

            You all seem to be ignoring the "potentially" word from my original comment.

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            Potentially is doing too much heavy lifting. Everything can Potentially kill you. Excess water consumption kills you better than alcohol

            Eating beef could Potentially kill you with brain parasites. Lettuce coils Potentially kill you with e coli.

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              355mL is 12 fl oz in Freedom Units™, and is the most common soda/beer size in the US. Red Bull and other such energy drinks tend to come in a smaller form factor, oddly enough.

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              Yeah there's 250ml Red Bull, which is the most common one, but then theres a larger version here which goes to 355 and I think even larger, a 473ml one.

              But yeah the tiny 250 is the most common

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              • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                Perhaps the store was out of 12-packs.

                Also at that time, in like early 90's (in the tv show), I don't think 12-pack was that common

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                No. We've had 6 packs, 12 packs, and cases since at least the 70s.

                Source: I bought pretty much every packaging that Old Style was sold in during late 70s and early 80s.

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                • S [email protected]

                  Tbh, this is not quite as dumb as it sounds. Tampons weigh nothing and if there's no way to resupply, it's not quite as dumb to take more than you need. What if, for example, there's a series defect on these things and a large portion of them are defective?

                  In fact, when they asked her said it's excessive, to which they told her they wanted to be on the safe side, so she said to cut it in half and bring 50pcs (which is still excessive for most periods, but on the safe side).

                  In fact, in the same mission they also brought jelly beans, which were entirely irrelevant to the mission, because Reagan insisted on his favourite snack to go to orbit. They were likely heavier than 100 tampons and also much less necessary up there.

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                  Tampons weigh nothing

                  When you're dealing with the tyranny of rocketry, every gram matters.

                  That said, I agree with your point. The mass and volume was well within acceptable mission parameters.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    No. We've had 6 packs, 12 packs, and cases since at least the 70s.

                    Source: I bought pretty much every packaging that Old Style was sold in during late 70s and early 80s.

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                    Non-existent=/=common

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                      Assuming 12oz beers at 5% ABV, that you're a man at the global average weight of 180lbs, and have a healthy liver, if you paced yourself to 1 beer every 1.5 hours over the course of your 16 waking hours per day, your BAC would never exceed 0.02, you'd have 5-10 minutes between beers with a BAC of 0, and you'd drink about 12 beers in a day.

                      Most people would not be noticeably intoxicated by this and probably wouldn't experience any kind of hangover. They might wind up a bit dehydrated if that's the only thing they drink. It's also definitely not advisable to do that over any extended period of time.

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                      That explains why my perception is off, I weigh more like 140 😄

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                        Non-existent=/=common

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                        12 packs were pretty much the default packaging.

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                          Potentially is doing too much heavy lifting. Everything can Potentially kill you. Excess water consumption kills you better than alcohol

                          Eating beef could Potentially kill you with brain parasites. Lettuce coils Potentially kill you with e coli.

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                          I personally haven't seen people fuck up their health long term from few bad parties where they drink water and pass out puking over themselves, I guess we live in vastly different places.

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                            I get the impression they were also preparing for a potential freak discovery where it turns out zero G has an extreme effect on the menstrual cycle, and they suddenly need a lot of them.

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                            For the nose bleeds occuring from 0G 😉

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                            • R [email protected]

                              I literally gave you the name for it, just put it on PubMed

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                              I literally just entered your search terms and literally clicked search and, literally, I mean it, not figuratively, literally it responded:

                              No results were found.
                              Your search was processed without automatic term mapping because it retrieved zero results.

                              I literally just copy/pasted that response here because I literally knew you are making shit up, you lying propagandist.

                              Lying. Propagandist. Go back to handing out Chick tracts to people who toss them in the recycling bin.

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                                I literally just entered your search terms and literally clicked search and, literally, I mean it, not figuratively, literally it responded:

                                No results were found.
                                Your search was processed without automatic term mapping because it retrieved zero results.

                                I literally just copy/pasted that response here because I literally knew you are making shit up, you lying propagandist.

                                Lying. Propagandist. Go back to handing out Chick tracts to people who toss them in the recycling bin.

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                                Take your pills

                                In case you aren't a troll or schizo, you can start here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8391842/

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  Take your pills

                                  In case you aren't a troll or schizo, you can start here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8391842/

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                                  No, I've seen your complete lies and lack of evidence. Go back to rocking by yourself, I ain't biting no more.

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    Tbh, the story was reported by Ride on a talk show for laughs. It's not exactly a well-documented incidence.

                                    Likely, the package they ordered had 100pcs in them (because it's meant for commercial clients) and they asked her something like "We got 100 here, how many do you need?"

                                    It's of course fun to insinuate that NASA engineers have never been close to women and thus have no idea how tampons work, but it's more likely that this was just played up for laughs at a talk show.

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                                    Yeah it’s a lot like the Russian pencil/ vs space pen meme at this point. (Spoiler, Russia ended up using space pens from Fischer too)

                                    I dislike the engineers have no common sense trope, as it’s another instance of sowing distrust in experts that’s been going on since the late 70s.

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                                      Yeah it’s a lot like the Russian pencil/ vs space pen meme at this point. (Spoiler, Russia ended up using space pens from Fischer too)

                                      I dislike the engineers have no common sense trope, as it’s another instance of sowing distrust in experts that’s been going on since the late 70s.

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                                      Yeah, the story of the space pen is also completely wrong, because Fisher mostly created the space pen for marketing reasons. They didn't create the pen and then end the story there. No, they created the pen because they could sell it to the non-space-faring public, and it was a huge success.

                                      They are still selling it today, 59 years after its invention in 1966.

                                      And the development of the space pen didn't take years and didn't cost millions. In fact, NASA only paid a total of $2400 for 400pcs of them. And the main reason they even tasked Fisher with making these was that they were cheaper than the mechanical pencils they first wanted to buy.

                                      I dislike the engineers have no common sense trope, as it’s another instance of sowing distrust in experts that’s been going on since the late 70s.

                                      Absolute agreement.

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                                        I love that your response to what a "star trek purist" is is a defense of bs opinions on the internet

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                                        It probably means different things for different people, because like every other fandom, it's kinda arbitrary.

                                        I was kind of purist. I started with TOS, but TNG, DS9, and VOY were right then too. Didn't care as much for Voyager, but it was ok. Skipped Enterprise completely. I have TAS but haven't watched it. Actively disliked the Kelvin movies. I've missed all the new stuff because I don't stream, except Lower Decks, which I find delightful. I'm gonna pick up Picard and SNW soon.

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                                          the body will start getting rid of alcohol way quicker than you will be consuming it, through any means necessary.

                                          This shit is getting upvoted while I'm getting downvoted? Tell this to any medical professional and they will look at you the same way I look at flat earthers. Alcohol metabolism is capped, while your ability to consume it isn't nearly as capped as your body's ability to deal with it. That "by any means necessary" makes it far worse. Those who know, will know.

                                          Another side note - tolerance /= faster metabolism.

                                          Chug on few vodkas per hour and report back to me about your myth (or should I say, forward your autopsy report to me?)

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                                          My man, if you think I didn't do my fair share of stupid drinking, you're severely underestimating what college does to a young man.
                                          Things that I did and not particularly proud of:

                                          • drinking a standart 0.5 liter bottle of vodka in one gulp (the trick is to swirl it so it does a little whirlwind, this way it creates laminal flow)
                                          • drinking 80% proof alcohol like it was regular vodka
                                          • drinking so much beer in one sitting, it was sloshing inside me like I was a baloon.
                                          • much much more.

                                          Was it not smart? Yeah, totally. Was it fun? If you account for all the vomiting and hangovers and states of total drunkinnes, overal no, it wasn't fun, don't recommend. Did it give me any permanent damage including death? Nope, I was lucky enough to be smart enough to not make it an addiction, and because of that I am alive and as healthy as I could be at my age.

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