mmmm yes undoubtedly
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Agreed, it wasn't soon enough, but they did abolish it thirty years before the US fought a war to get it done.
To be blunt, I can't think of a better reason to go to war than to eliminate slavers and those that would regard an entire race of people as not worthy of respect.
The only other good reason for war is for defense. To protect yourself and your countrymen from a hostile force, but I digress.
That shit should have never been allowed. But here we are.
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They don't look like that any more. Its top hats and tails everywhere
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a lot of the ideas from the American Revolution inspired the French Revolution.
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Since the French Revolution have rise to the idea of the modern nation state and Napoleon, we'd not have a lot of countries.At first I was like: wtf? Then I remembered we're in the shitposting community
I mean, am I wrong? France bankrupted itself in the war and in funding the American revolution. The American Revolution produced and popularised a lot of ideas that found their way to France and inspired ideas in the French Revolution (as well as a rebellion in Scotland but let's not get ahead of ourselves).
The French Revolution gave rise to the idea of the Modern Nation State and Napoleon's invasions of places like Italy and Germany implanted this idea in those places which eventually lead to the Nationalist revolutions in Germany and Italy in the 19th century.
If the American revolution failed, we'd might not have the French Revolution we know of today. If that is the case, there's no rise of the Nation State and no Napoleon to spread it, ergo, no Germany or Italy, as well as a lot of other countries.
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I mean, am I wrong? France bankrupted itself in the war and in funding the American revolution. The American Revolution produced and popularised a lot of ideas that found their way to France and inspired ideas in the French Revolution (as well as a rebellion in Scotland but let's not get ahead of ourselves).
The French Revolution gave rise to the idea of the Modern Nation State and Napoleon's invasions of places like Italy and Germany implanted this idea in those places which eventually lead to the Nationalist revolutions in Germany and Italy in the 19th century.
If the American revolution failed, we'd might not have the French Revolution we know of today. If that is the case, there's no rise of the Nation State and no Napoleon to spread it, ergo, no Germany or Italy, as well as a lot of other countries.
This isn't really my area, but afaik....
- the French bankrupted themselves for a number of reasons, one of which was indeed the global Ango-French War (which resulted in the creation of the USA) and the earlier Seven Years War. This wasn't the only cause of the French Revolution.
- the American and French Revolutions were both products of "the Englightenment" which took part in Europe. To their credit, several of the American leaders saw the value in it and adopted those ideas, but America was pretty much a backwater at that time. Of course American independence was a topic of discussion, much in the same way that the war in Ukraine is today. No doubt some people were "inspired by" the distant foreign war, as an example of ideas that had developed locally.
- I think the 1648 treaties of Westphalia are generally considered the beginning of modern nation states. I think it'd be tough to argue that German and Italian nationalism were "implanted" by the French Revolution.
I had a brilliant concluding paragraph but I accidentally deleted it. Something about how this period of history has many relevant lessons about balancing domestic vs international policy, updating antiquated systems of economic and representation systems, and the interplay between popular movements and individual leaders. But this is, after all, a shitposting community, so no great loss.
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To be blunt, I can't think of a better reason to go to war than to eliminate slavers and those that would regard an entire race of people as not worthy of respect.
The only other good reason for war is for defense. To protect yourself and your countrymen from a hostile force, but I digress.
That shit should have never been allowed. But here we are.
But here we are.
... Still dealing with the consequences because we went easy on them.
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As an American, I wish they won.
They outlawed slavery looong before we did.
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It’s not that we think we’re better than everyone else it’s that we know we are.
As some muslims in a muslim theocracy don't think they are the only worthy to be saved: they go around saying they know they are.
Which is the universal annoying self-centered people who have no real nation, religion or actual belongship: they give a fuck about their flag/religion/social group only in the measure it serve their damaged, narcissistic, ego.
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As an American, I wish they won.
They outlawed slavery looong before we did.
Because they were ahead on industry and slavery was less profitable. Don't think England was going around thinking it was wrong.
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Because they were ahead on industry and slavery was less profitable. Don't think England was going around thinking it was wrong.
It was a very popular civil movement and governments were essentially forced to act.
the petition in 1814 got 1,375,000 signatures.
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It was a very popular civil movement and governments were essentially forced to act.
the petition in 1814 got 1,375,000 signatures.
Is this true? Or am I getting woooooshed?
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Is this true? Or am I getting woooooshed?
In 1972, 400,000 british people (of 6 million at the time) gave up sugar to boycott slavery. Seventy years later, mill workers of Manchester supported embargo of Confederacy during US civil war by refusing to handle cotton picked by enslaved people. This came at a hefty personal cost as their way of making living depended on it. Abraham Lincoln later acknowledged this show of support. There's statue of him in Manchester.
The British abolishment movement was so popular that they had more signatures demanding the end of slavery than the total amount of votes in the last election. Later, at it's peak, something like 25% of the entire British naval budget went towards capturing and freeing slave ships.
