What are some methods of distributed civil disobedience for Americans?
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Yep
Modern American economy doesn't give a shit about labor strikes.
But a consumer strike?
Everyone literally cutting out all extraneous purchases and cancelling every subscription except utilities...
That would get the wealthy's attention.
Can’t speak for your household, but ours is already there, by necessity. Shit’s gotten too damned expensive. At this point we’re buying only what we actually need with an eye on how to make it last as long as possible. And me and my wife make $140k combined.
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Distributed as in non centralized. Many people feel like there is nothing they can do to contribute to meaningful change, especially with how spread out Americans are, but surely there has got to be something.
Using the trend of blocking traffic as an example, I think a coordinated effort to not just block a highway in one city, but to block state routes and other arteries in many places would be more effective. Instead of one city having bad traffic for a day, it would be many towns and it would be harder to dismiss as a local problem if people across the states are engaging.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Birthstrike - stop reproducing
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Well, that's part of my point. Everyone who stopped eating at Chick Fil A stopped 10+ years ago, everyone else doesn't care. Anyone willing to boycott is already boycotting, and they can't boycott any harder until we have a method of acquiring necessities from somewhere else.
I don't think there's some fraction of people who are ethically driven, and the rest don't care. Everyone sits on multiple spectra for what they care about, and where their thresholds for acting are. Most people are under the pump for cost of living, and that's pretty dominant when you're on the verge of poverty. Get those people a bit more stability, and they'll have more capacity to care about broader ethical ssues..
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Not against the idea in spirit, but that's not distributed and not feasible for many people who live far from corporate HQs.
Eh? Corporate HQs are all in city centres, and the vast majority of people live in cities...
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Filling empty beer bottles with hand sanitizer. Pass them out at marches so people don't get sick.
With a cloth coming out the top to wipe your hands? And a lighter to keep warm?
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Make friends with random people, especially conservatives.
Make lots of money, which can be used for many useful things.
Buy real estate in your communtity.
Start a business in your community.
Develop personal relationships with your elected officials or other powerful people.
Get elected to positions of power, even if just a school board member or neighborhood council representitive.
So you're suggesting the American Dream is the only way to beat an American nightmare?
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Birthstrike - stop reproducing
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reproduction isn’t a choice for some people. that’s fucked up but it’s cold & hard reality.
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this just increases the ratio of parents in the next generation that are shitty people, effectively strengthening fascist movements by increasing the proportionment of lil hitlers vs everyone else in the kindergarten class.
i think this strategy is highly problematic if you think about it for literally even just a second, and i say that as someone who would never voluntarily have kids.
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More or less, yes.
In order to make meaningful change, you need power. So go get power.
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I don't think there's some fraction of people who are ethically driven, and the rest don't care. Everyone sits on multiple spectra for what they care about, and where their thresholds for acting are. Most people are under the pump for cost of living, and that's pretty dominant when you're on the verge of poverty. Get those people a bit more stability, and they'll have more capacity to care about broader ethical ssues..
Everyone sits on multiple spectra for what they care about, and where their thresholds for acting are
Right, so what would push people over that threshold now?
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With a cloth coming out the top to wipe your hands? And a lighter to keep warm?
Exactly. Wouldn't want to catch cold.
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That's true, but at the same time, aren't most people already boycotting what they can? I think anyone who feels bad about supporting shitty companies are already avoiding them when they can, and if they can't, well there isn't much more to do until we hit mutual aid networks.
I'm not talking about boycotting shitty companies, though. Just like, boycotting capitalism. To the degree that's even possible. We need food, shelter, and utilities.
But clothes? Repair, swap, thrift.
Entertainment? Cancel streaming services, stop going out to movies. Don't use social media sites that make money by showing you ads. Play cards or board games, read or listen to books from the library. Trade things with friends when you get bored of what you have instead of just buying new stuff. Touch grass.
I'm not saying I do all of this stuff or that it would be easy, but lots of people doing this consistently would make a much bigger difference than boycotting shitty companies piecemeal.
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Birthstrike - stop reproducing
People are already doing that. Birth rates globally have been trending downwards for decades, but in the US they've been below replacement for over fifty years.
It's not as bad as someplace like South Korea, which is already doomed and past the point of no return, but it's still not great, and we're headed towards the same end if we don't turn things around very soon.
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With a cloth coming out the top to wipe your hands? And a lighter to keep warm?
you need to fill them mostly with Styrofoam, actually.
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Blocking traffic will only turn people away at best and get you run over at worst.
https://www.opb.org/news/series/racenw/race-northwest-united-states-jordan-lund-portland/
reminder to everyone that that's why Jordan doesn't like BLM.
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Distributed as in non centralized. Many people feel like there is nothing they can do to contribute to meaningful change, especially with how spread out Americans are, but surely there has got to be something.
Using the trend of blocking traffic as an example, I think a coordinated effort to not just block a highway in one city, but to block state routes and other arteries in many places would be more effective. Instead of one city having bad traffic for a day, it would be many towns and it would be harder to dismiss as a local problem if people across the states are engaging.
Be happy and grow a supportive, active, and independent community network of helpers
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Well, that's part of my point. Everyone who stopped eating at Chick Fil A stopped 10+ years ago, everyone else doesn't care. Anyone willing to boycott is already boycotting, and they can't boycott any harder until we have a method of acquiring necessities from somewhere else.
Ah! Perfect example as I won't touch Chick Fil A.
So yes, those who care and are politically aware are boycotting what they can, but the vast majority of Americans neither care or are aware.
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Everyone sits on multiple spectra for what they care about, and where their thresholds for acting are
Right, so what would push people over that threshold now?
- Its different for everyone, and there will usually be multiple influencing factors, not just one big one, but
- I already pointed out one big one in my last sentence.
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Be happy and grow a supportive, active, and independent community network of helpers
Not civil disobedience, but I agree. Unfortunately creating communities is probably a bigger ask than getting arrested in a protest.
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reproduction isn’t a choice for some people. that’s fucked up but it’s cold & hard reality.
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this just increases the ratio of parents in the next generation that are shitty people, effectively strengthening fascist movements by increasing the proportionment of lil hitlers vs everyone else in the kindergarten class.
i think this strategy is highly problematic if you think about it for literally even just a second, and i say that as someone who would never voluntarily have kids.
isn’t a choice for some people
Previous poster isn't talking about those people; but about people who do have a choice and why they should decline.
this just increases the ratio of parents in the next generation that are shitty people
Correct. But that doesn't justify dropping a child into the dumpsterfire we're turning our planet into just so they can serve as a footsoldier in the fight against it. Children aren't sacrificial lambs.
effectively strengthening fascist movements by increasing the proportionment of lil hitlers vs everyone else in the kindergarten class.
What's to say good parenting can combat that to enough of an extent to actually make a difference? It's not rare for two genuinely good people to produce a little hellspawn that grows up to be a lil hitler despite their parent's best efforts. Good parenting is certainly an important factor, but that's far from a guarantee your kid will do good with their lives. They could just as well be the next actual Hitler.
We can't outbreed stupid or evil. If abstaining from having a kid for the sake of protecting that kid from an increasingly dire hellscape is some kind of failure to delay humanity's downfall, then humanity isn't something that should be preserved.
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If every blue state stopped paying federal taxes simultaneously they'd be fucked. Tax season isn't for another sixish months, just saying.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It has to be the employees not the state because companies withhold it and remit directly to the IRS. Not saying you should do this, but if you increase your
withholdingsexemptions then it won't go to the IRS. Though you will owe it in April and may have to pay penalties for underwitholding.
