Apple Envy
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In terms of freedom, Apple is the most user-hostile company in the business and has been forever. People are screaming in justified outrage at Google taking out sideloading in 2025, but when was the last time you could sideload something on an iPhone? Oh, never? Right.
The passes Apple constantly gets, even here, are absolutely fucking insane to me. "Oh well, at least they've always been authoritarian!" What??
wrote last edited by [email protected]Golden fucking handcuffs. Is that the right expression?
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Golden fucking handcuffs. Is that the right expression?
i couldn't find that, but I found this as consolation
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That didn't stop Apple from handing over backups to the FBI that were swiftly decrypted after several high profile incidents (like the San Bernadino shooting), and I assume it would be even less difficult for them to fork over info for another Snowden if they use Apple products.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Didn’t Apple deny the FBI access for the San Bernardino shooting?
Quick edit; yeah, you can stop spouting bullshit, the FBI hacked in WITHOUT Apple’s help.
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Encrypted doesnt necessarily matter. I dont trust apple to not give up the keys.
They’ve always refused in the past…
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In terms of freedom, Apple is the most user-hostile company in the business and has been forever. People are screaming in justified outrage at Google taking out sideloading in 2025, but when was the last time you could sideload something on an iPhone? Oh, never? Right.
The passes Apple constantly gets, even here, are absolutely fucking insane to me. "Oh well, at least they've always been authoritarian!" What??
I make no claim against the lack of freedom on Apple devices, but "un-free" doesn't mean "user-hostile". We're talking about the perceived quality of experience for the user, not anything else. Like, look, don't get me wrong, I still hate Apple (and all the big tech corpos) out of principle- but they provide an objectively better user experience for the vast majority of people.
- Apple has been, while extremely restrictive, very consistent on what users are allowed to do with devices... Google has repeatedly shown that they can't be trusted to actually commit to popular features or services that they put out.
- Apple has put forward several measures to increase [perception of] user privacy where Google has repeatedly shown that they have no interest in doing anything other than collecting as much of your data as possible and using it for their ad business.
- iOS/iPadOS accessibility features blow Android's out of the water in terms of breadth and quality; where with Android you often have to rely on third-party apps that may or may not work consistently or break with an update.
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I seem to remember a very high profile case where the FBI wanted access to a suspect’s iPhone, and all Apple had to do was give them an iOS side release that bypassed the unlock system. Apple refused to do it since it would break user security.
It’s very possible things have changed since then.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I seem to remember one where they caved, but i also remember them refusing a bunch
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I don't know why people write these emotionally charged comments that are dripping with sarcasm. Your entire comment is a series of strawman misrepresentations that you've erected to unceremoniously "dunk" on the opposition instead of actually arguing with any nuance. You give one piece of evidence in your favor and conclude that you've had the final say on the matter. This sort of discourse boils down to "You're an idiot!" ... "No, YOU are!!"
My point is that Orwell is more anti-Stallin than pro-leftist. People on the left may be tempted to interpret Orwell as arguing against right-wing fascism. But he is actually depicting a fascistic socialism. This explains why our governments are so quick to hail 1984 as some literary achievement. In reality, the novel slows to a crawl in the middle and is not inventive at all; especially when compared to the great works of science fiction such as The Time Machine, The Dispossessed, Roadside Picnic, Necromancer, etc. (Manual surveillance of millions of people through their TVs? Seriously? 1984 is not fit to be compared with any of Ursula Le Guin's works. As a fan of the genre, I question whether you actually read science fiction at all.)
By the tone of your comment I can see that you're pretty entrenched in your position and don't care about Orwell's character or motivations. Everyone else can make up their own minds:
I want to take this apart piece by piece because i think every singke thing you say here is wrong, but reading this i get the impression you haven't read a single fucking one of the things you're talking about, including my comment.
Still skipping the asimov thing too, while you retreat into 'rationality bro' and defer to someone else.
You're not correct, but you're not even wrong; you're just parroting.
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Dont defend either of them please.
If there were any alternative, we wouldn't have these problems.
If there were any alternative, we wouldn’t have these problems.
Most of lemmings are technicals: where alternative? Build LemmyOS xD
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They’ve always refused in the past…
I know for a while that was true?
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Are we seriously going to pretend that Google hasn't been just as evil for years now? At least Apple is able to provide a halfway-decent UX...
Google was only pro freedom and open source as long as it hurt Microsoft more than them.
That is not the case anymore.
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If there were any alternative, we wouldn’t have these problems.
Most of lemmings are technicals: where alternative? Build LemmyOS xD
"It's not fragmented, it's federated!"
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Didn’t Apple deny the FBI access for the San Bernardino shooting?
Quick edit; yeah, you can stop spouting bullshit, the FBI hacked in WITHOUT Apple’s help.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Apple provided the icloud backups off of the device. Apple did not provide the decryption key for unlocking the phone directly.
Edit: direct link to Wikipedia article discussing apple and FBI compliance: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
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What I’ll say in Apples defense is they largely are what they say they are. You may not like what Apple provides, which is fair, but at least you know what you’re getting.
Hence why I have never owned and never will own an apple product. Google used to have the company of motto of Don't Be Evil. Everyone should have jumped ship when they deliverately removed that from the record.
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On privacy, google is much worse
Never read Apple's privacy policy, huh?
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I want to take this apart piece by piece because i think every singke thing you say here is wrong, but reading this i get the impression you haven't read a single fucking one of the things you're talking about, including my comment.
Still skipping the asimov thing too, while you retreat into 'rationality bro' and defer to someone else.
You're not correct, but you're not even wrong; you're just parroting.
I've read one of their links, and although it shows Orwell to be an asshole, racist, bigot, and anti-Stalin; it still doesn't make sense as a ground for other statements, especially him being imperialist.
I would think that the whole thing comes from conflating communism and whatever the Soviets were doing, and if anyone thinks that USSR was not the heaven on earth, they are damned
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I've read one of their links, and although it shows Orwell to be an asshole, racist, bigot, and anti-Stalin; it still doesn't make sense as a ground for other statements, especially him being imperialist.
I would think that the whole thing comes from conflating communism and whatever the Soviets were doing, and if anyone thinks that USSR was not the heaven on earth, they are damned
Well yeah, communism is when stalin.
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They’ve always refused in the past…
Because guess what? They don't have them. They don't want them. Apple's business is selling hardware, not collecting your data that they would then be liable for. Their business model is not predicated on data mining and collection. Google's is.
This is not to absolve Apple; they are after all a major corporation and therefore inherently evil prima facie. But I don't worry about them selling or leaking my data.
