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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • P [email protected]

    This defeats the entire purpose of me having android

    Like I'm just going to switch to an iPhone now. Not because Apple is any better, but because I have more family with them.

    They took away our SD cards, they took away our removable batteries, they took away our headphone jacks. Now they're taking away side loading apps, and that's it. I'm done. The death of android.

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    Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
    Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
    As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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      https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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      #91

      (non-Android) Linux phones aren't really ready for daily driving even for relatively advanced users - but it looks like we're gonna have to deal with it anyhow

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      • T [email protected]

        real question, you can't install another os if you have a carrier phone? how come? just asking bc i have one and want to switch to another os

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        #92

        Carriers usually make it more difficult to unlock the bootloader on their versioned phones. Iirc with some you have to submit a form or something similar to the carrier to be able to unlock it

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          My main problem with linux phones is that many apps only exist only for android or ios.

          Sure some apps are basically a website that you can acess by web browser but many apps cant be replaced able (banking, tickets, public transport, games)

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          Most Android apps can be run under a mini-VM in the Linux systems I've tried - but some apps won't function well that way (banking, NFC tickets, etc)

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            https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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            My problem with this is when I now don't have freedom from surveillance in my country because I mainly use F-Droid to install my privacy conscious apps.

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              https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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              if this happens my next phone either will be a linux phone (if I can find a dependable one with banking apps allowed) or iOS out of spite

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                https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                #96

                Is there other alternatives to Apple and Google phones? If you can pay for shipping a and 2 phones compared to a Google or Apple phone then why not use other manufacturers?

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                  What are your thoughts on the Furi Phone?

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                  I'd get disappointed if its distro wouldn't be called FuriOS

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                    https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                    #98

                    Its like Microsoft and Google are teaming up to drive me closer to Linux.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Please Europeans, please stop buying American goods, using American social media, and ffs do not come here. If there is no profit to be made, they'll stop bothering you.

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                      There isn’t barely any good alternative for smartphones. Tech companies and CEO’s are now what the Church and the Pope were in the Middle Ages. Both keep the masses dumb, ignorant and hateful.

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                      • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                        Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                        Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                        As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                        Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                        Disputable.

                        • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                        • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                        • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                        • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                        • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                          Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                          Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                          As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                          The Apple adapter is very good. I used one on my Linux machine that had a finicky built in port. Obviously works great on a phone. If you need one in a car at least MagSafe/qi is available now but not ideal.

                          I don’t love the idea of “removable” batteries being mandated if that means like the batteries in an old flip phone. We needed them then because the capacity was so bad and power banks didn’t exist. I would prefer that manufacturers require them to be third party replaceable instead.

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                          • vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pubV [email protected]

                            I readily await the visibility and interest this will give mobile linux development.

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                            Nearly 100% of the development for handheld Linux is Steam OS / Steam Deck. If Valve moves to ARM at some point then you might see useful improvements that benefit the mobile use case.

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                              With this shift and other control based decisions Google has been making, does Apple devices start to make more sense? Neither platform offers true control over there device you "own", but Apple at the very least isn't a marketing company.

                              I can't believe a company hasn't swooped in and eaten Apple and Google's lunch.

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                              Android is all of the downsides of Apple now with none of the upsides. I prefer the company selling a walled garden over the one selling my internet activity.

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                                Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                                Disputable.

                                • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                                • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                                • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                                • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                                I liked the whole not having to charge headphones thing more than anything.

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                                  Apple isn't a marketing company? Wow, if anything I would say that singularly defines what has made them successful. They put out solidly mid hardware, but are the best marketers in tech and always were.

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                                  The hardware is absolutely not mid. It is inflexible. Compare the entry level MacBook Air to any comparable Windows laptop and you’ll be spending much more to get close to the same performance/battery/build quality. The thing that makes them successful is creating a unified ecosystem that is hard to leave. People don’t pick Apple because they are a bunch of idiot clones who are enamored with TV ads.

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                                  • R [email protected]

                                    Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                                    Disputable.

                                    • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                                    • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                                    • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                                    • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                                    • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately

                                    I'll give you that, but my bone conduction headset lasts a few days with the amount I use

                                    • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

                                    Meh. I've put corded earbuds in my pocket and probably worn them out faster that way. Bluetooth headsets I tend to leave on (much to my wife's annoyance) and that makes them last longer in my experience.

                                    • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

                                    Aha, that van outside must be tapping into me listening to The Dandy Warhols! I knew it! (In all seriousness, if security is that critical you probably shouldn't be doing whatever it is over WiFi, which is pretty much unavoidable with a phone)

                                    • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

                                    Are we really talking about saving energy here? That's like... Moisture in the bucket levels. Not even a drop in the bucket

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                                      Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                                      Disputable.

                                      • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                                      • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                                      • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                                      • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                                      they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separatel

                                      If you wish for ANC you'll need a battery anyway, and most people do want ANC these days

                                      they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

                                      I'm loosing my wired headphone far more often, for a simple reason: wireless ones having a battery allows me to make them beep, given they are near, of course.

                                      bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

                                      Sure, and so are wired headphone as they act as an antenna, broadcasting to anyone with an appropriate receptor anything you say and/or hear.
                                      As for the implementation vulnerabilities, at least it can be patched.

                                      transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

                                      Sure, but is it that much of a problem? It would take years (if not decades) of constant listening to even use a dollar of electricity for wireless headphones. Even if you factor the data transmission from the phone into that.
                                      And wired headphone are not energy neutral either. They works by pulling energy from the phone battery.

                                      I prefer the wireless headphones ease of use to headphone I have to untangle every time I want to use them. I keep my wired ones for home uses.

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                                        What is blocking it? I haven't done much research yet but was hoping to find a new OS if this goes through. Wouldn't it be the same as putting a sim card into a tablet/laptop? Or is there something specific to your country that stands out?

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                                        Probably they need to pay for an IMEI fee their government wants. I know because it's the same here. I got PinePhone for $200 and had to pay for $250 IMEI fee. What did I do? Changed the IMEI to my old dead phone's.

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                                          Nearly 100% of the development for handheld Linux is Steam OS / Steam Deck. If Valve moves to ARM at some point then you might see useful improvements that benefit the mobile use case.

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                                          the collaborative world works off of demand. Pocket laptops and linux phones have been a nice distraction for long enough. They may soon become more of a saving grace.

                                          I'm not saying you'll be able to run Spyware Simulator 2000 on PostmarketOS. I'm more saying that any secondary device you use for foss software will be more focused upon as an actual decent alternative for getting work done without being spied on by capitalist nazis.

                                          These devices can run web browsers. That's 80% of your needs already taken care of and we haven't even left Firefox.

                                          CARRY TWO PHONES??!!

                                          What will the neighbors think!?

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