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That's an impressive drop. Any ideas why?

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    1. My first question about studies like this is always "how do they know this?". And I while I know I could find the study and dig into the setsils, I don't have to do that to know that this is the result of surveys taken over this time period. Unless technology develops to grant us a way to monitor and track the sex lives of people objectively and unobtrusively, that's just the best way can do. So any conclusions drawn really should be "the decline in people's surveyed frequency of sexual intercourse has gone down over time". Just to throw out some baseless speculation: could people in the past inflated their answers to appear "cool" or similar? Could there be cultural shifts pressuring respondents to deflate their numbers now? Personally, I'm inclined to believe the results of the study ARE true, but I'm not confident in that.

    2. The decline of 3rd spaces, which is a big concept with multiple causes. Car-centric infrastructure, industrialization, women moving to the workforce, capitalism, technology, etc. It has become harder for people to have intimate personal interactions with others who live nearby. I believe the rise of things like social media, dating apps, and now AI companions is less about "hey we developed this new technology to replace and maybe be better than real human interaction" and more about "we need to develop something to replace what we have lost".

    3. Consent. Reductions in arranged marriages and child marriages. Protections and rights for women and children.

    4. Economics. Everyone is overworked and tired. I've seen this in a lot of the other comments here but I actually don't buy into this quite as much. There seems to be an inverse relationship between GDP per capita and birth rate, at least recently. Most of Europe, Japan, Australia, the US, Canada, Korea, and perhaps most notably... China. All have experienced declines in birthrates, and in a lot these cases there is good modern data showing the birth rates changing as these economies develop. The countries having the most children are poorer countries.

    Now, it could be that these wealthier countries have access to birth control, so this does not necessarily dissolve economics as a factor. But, my own theory is that sex is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment available to humanity (if you don't factor in the costs of children). So the citizens of these wealthier countries are spending their time and money doing other things. Not just skii vacations or going yachting, but reading books and watching TV.

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    From my personal experience, the 3rd spaces is a huge thing. I've met my wife in such a space, and pre-Covid I've run a large Meetup group that focused on safe socialization (dinners, cinemas, hiking, art events). I've seen countless of hookups and dozens of marriages within that group. Covid pretty much killed Meetup groups on our area, so when we want to socialize all that's left are pubs and clubs, and there I only see single-gender groups with no overlap. I doubt anyone is getting laid, and even if they do, chances of a meaningful relationship before actually knowing each other's likes and dislikes, and common interests, are minimal.

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      In life there are an infinite number of connections we’ll miss, the positive is we don’t need to make nearly that many.

      The first step is to work on yourself, but you don’t need to drastically change who you are just learn to love yourself as you are.

      Once you can manage that, it’s a lot easier to find connections.

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      Jee, I nearly choked on my ramen when I read your name 😂😂. Yea, totally agree, thank you

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        Notice it goes down over periods of time for which the political party in power is against women having bodily autonomy or rights?

        And goes up when leftist policies such as expanding access to healthcare are introduced.

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          Poverty, depression, gooning to porn.. Must I go on?

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            Aside from who backs these studies and how is data collected, my real question is why do we really care, like, is that really some issue?

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              I blame Newt Gingrich

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              If anyone could stop an entire country from fucking, it's that man.

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                1. My first question about studies like this is always "how do they know this?". And I while I know I could find the study and dig into the setsils, I don't have to do that to know that this is the result of surveys taken over this time period. Unless technology develops to grant us a way to monitor and track the sex lives of people objectively and unobtrusively, that's just the best way can do. So any conclusions drawn really should be "the decline in people's surveyed frequency of sexual intercourse has gone down over time". Just to throw out some baseless speculation: could people in the past inflated their answers to appear "cool" or similar? Could there be cultural shifts pressuring respondents to deflate their numbers now? Personally, I'm inclined to believe the results of the study ARE true, but I'm not confident in that.

                2. The decline of 3rd spaces, which is a big concept with multiple causes. Car-centric infrastructure, industrialization, women moving to the workforce, capitalism, technology, etc. It has become harder for people to have intimate personal interactions with others who live nearby. I believe the rise of things like social media, dating apps, and now AI companions is less about "hey we developed this new technology to replace and maybe be better than real human interaction" and more about "we need to develop something to replace what we have lost".

                3. Consent. Reductions in arranged marriages and child marriages. Protections and rights for women and children.

                4. Economics. Everyone is overworked and tired. I've seen this in a lot of the other comments here but I actually don't buy into this quite as much. There seems to be an inverse relationship between GDP per capita and birth rate, at least recently. Most of Europe, Japan, Australia, the US, Canada, Korea, and perhaps most notably... China. All have experienced declines in birthrates, and in a lot these cases there is good modern data showing the birth rates changing as these economies develop. The countries having the most children are poorer countries.

                Now, it could be that these wealthier countries have access to birth control, so this does not necessarily dissolve economics as a factor. But, my own theory is that sex is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment available to humanity (if you don't factor in the costs of children). So the citizens of these wealthier countries are spending their time and money doing other things. Not just skii vacations or going yachting, but reading books and watching TV.

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                But, my own theory is that sex is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment available to humanity (if you don't factor in the costs of children). So the citizens of these wealthier countries are spending their time and money doing other things. Not just skii vacations or going yachting, but reading books and watching TV.

                Spoken like a man who's never tried to get laid. Sex is expensive. Dressing nicely, being fit, being financially well off enough to attract a girl in the first place, then entertaining them, taking them out, etc. It's not easy to pull off if you are poor. Especially when compared to free porn on tap and the stagnation of the middle and lower classes for decades.

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                  Your mom has been posting a lot more on Instagram recently

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                    I'm guessing this graph matches closely with anime viewing... The true amplifier of Japan's population decline!

                    To solve this crisis, we must make catgirls real and unleash an army of bland protagonists young men with almost no personality that possess some overpowered skill. Such as the ability to stay thin despite the ready availability of sugary/processed foods.

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                      I imagine it's a continuation of the isolation that social media causes.

                      edit: looked into this a little more and found This medium article. saying there wasn't much change in the rate of sex weekly for adults in the 90s, and not until the early 2000s when OECD countries started seeing a reduction.

                      Not sure what to trust but Family Studies is a conservative think-tank so I don't necessarily trust their data either.

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                      I came to the same conclusion. I don't doubt that sex is on the decline but whatever data this "Family Studies" collected to graph this is dubious at best. I think I saw a sample size of 2,000, but knowing this has some religious angle, they probably polled at church or something and are only interested in the procreation of the "right" people.

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                        I'm guessing this graph matches closely with anime viewing... The true amplifier of Japan's population decline!

                        To solve this crisis, we must make catgirls real and unleash an army of bland protagonists young men with almost no personality that possess some overpowered skill. Such as the ability to stay thin despite the ready availability of sugary/processed foods.

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                        Can't we just get Truck-kun to Isekai a bunch of people?

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                          But, my own theory is that sex is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment available to humanity (if you don't factor in the costs of children). So the citizens of these wealthier countries are spending their time and money doing other things. Not just skii vacations or going yachting, but reading books and watching TV.

                          Spoken like a man who's never tried to get laid. Sex is expensive. Dressing nicely, being fit, being financially well off enough to attract a girl in the first place, then entertaining them, taking them out, etc. It's not easy to pull off if you are poor. Especially when compared to free porn on tap and the stagnation of the middle and lower classes for decades.

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                          It seems you believe the myths that media wants to tell you about modern courtship. Yes, such shallow people exist. And yes, there are thresholds of hygiene and stability someone should be expected to meet. But a lot of women want to get laid just as bad as men, not for the money or the status but for the sex.

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                            People requiring consent more. Also, people being less likely to lie about sexual topics now.

                            I'd like to see a graph of consensual sex per week over time.

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                              But, my own theory is that sex is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment available to humanity (if you don't factor in the costs of children). So the citizens of these wealthier countries are spending their time and money doing other things. Not just skii vacations or going yachting, but reading books and watching TV.

                              Spoken like a man who's never tried to get laid. Sex is expensive. Dressing nicely, being fit, being financially well off enough to attract a girl in the first place, then entertaining them, taking them out, etc. It's not easy to pull off if you are poor. Especially when compared to free porn on tap and the stagnation of the middle and lower classes for decades.

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                              Bro the people I see getting the most pussy are free spirits without an ounce of stability in their lives

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                                I blame Newt Gingrich

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                                I don't know man, It always comes back to Reagan doesn't it?

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                                  Digital drugs AI, social media. People replaced sex with mobile phone dopamine hits. Misogyny and misandry in media. Lack of financial stability.

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                                    Humans have discovered we’re in captivity, and so we’ve stopped breeding.

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                                      Notice it goes down over periods of time for which the political party in power is against women having bodily autonomy or rights?

                                      And goes up when leftist policies such as expanding access to healthcare are introduced.

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                                      No, women having choice over whether they have sex is the problem. They are naturally less sex-reliant than males and it is only through parties restricting those choices that you see a spike after they leave office. /s

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                                        Microplastics in brains have hit critical mass

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                                          Aside from who backs these studies and how is data collected, my real question is why do we really care, like, is that really some issue?

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                                          By itself, no but it can be an indicator of larger societal issues.

                                          Personally considering that sex is one of the most basic and strongest desires. That many people overriding it is concerning.

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