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    If Americans don't stop the foot thing soon I will bring back the havoc and destruction of using local measure!!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_units_of_measurement

    No I will not define it. I will just tell you I ran 2/3 mile and that I am prussian, now you have to look it up, convert it to meters, convert that back to your mile and then you know what I am talking about.

    Btw this mile is way easier to remember because a mile is 24000 feet.

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    Whose feet‽

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      I think that's one thing that's actually fine about the English language though. Constantly switching between something ending with "ion" to "iard" instead of just counting up doesn't make much sense to me personally.

      Million (1A), Milliard (1B), Billion (2A), Billiard (2B) seems odd compared to Million (1), Billion (2), Trillion (3), Quadrillion (4)

      I suppose the upside is that you don't have to learn as many prefixes, but it'll take another few years of inflation and wealth centralization (at least with currencies like the Euro, Dollar, or Pound) until Quadrillion is relevant in the financial sector and Mathematicians generally use letters. I suppose it makes other natural sciences a tiny bit easier, but there it's usually written in scientific notation anyways.

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      The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes.

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        I'm a fan of light nanosecond, which works out to roughly 30 cm.

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        Infinitely cooler than a "foot"

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          If there's a better base than 10, it is a power of two.

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            Did someone say feet?

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              Infinitely cooler than a "foot"

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              Which is also approximately 30 cm

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                I’m always disappointed that megameter isn't a common word. People will say “one thousand kilometers” instead of just “one megameter”.

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                Megameter gigameter,

                Next thing is one astronomical unit.

                And then we are using light years.

                Not very linear those last two.

                And I am sure that gigameters would still be better than light years.

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                  The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes.

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                  I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner.

                  1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes

                  1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes

                  1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes

                  vs

                  1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes

                  (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes)

                  1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes

                  (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes)

                  1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes

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                    Not in defense of the imperial system, but if you're curious why it's so arbitrary, it's a crazy story about untangling a ton of proprietary guild measurements. The mile itself isn't quite proprietary (it was defined as 8 furlongs, and you can blame the English for ruining a perfectly good roman measurement) but they needed to make it a certain number of chains, rods, yards, and feet, plus a few other obscure measurements I forget about. Naturally that results in a stupid conversation rate (mostly vs yards and feet since it was basically a different system).

                    Why we still use it, dunno. I can see an argument for keeping feet and inches for things like carpentry (in the similar way I like hexadecimal in programming) but miles is not that. It's about as logical as this point as fahrenheit, which is to say it's outdated nonsense.

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                    You don't have to use it though. Reject it.

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                      The only positive thing I see about imperial is that things are easily divisible by 3 and 6, but that's about it. Then again, if doing the same with metric, you're usually fine rounding to the nearest millimetre, and if that isn't accurate enough, it's probably not supposed to be done by hand anyway.

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                        Megameter gigameter,

                        Next thing is one astronomical unit.

                        And then we are using light years.

                        Not very linear those last two.

                        And I am sure that gigameters would still be better than light years.

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                        well neither astronomical unit nor light years use meters as a reference. and one of those isnt even accurate (AU)

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                          Lmao your username is awesome

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                          and your username is scary

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                            In Scandinavia we have "mil" which everyone uses, 1 mil, or Scandinavian mile as it is known in English, is 10km. Cuts down ln zeroes. I love this but no one else(outside of Scandinavia) uses it.I typically get a lot of pushback mentioning it to my international peers.

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                            but there is already decameter

                            edit: nevermind i didnt see the "k" after the 10

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                              People will say “one thousand kilometers”

                              Will they though? I don't talk about distances that large anywhere near often enough to really need a shorthand for it, personally. Had to even look up what things are approximately 1000km apart to even know what to imagine it as (it's about the distance between Paris and Berlin).

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                              Car mileage (or kilometerage, is that a word?)

                              People don't say the car has 200 megameter on the odometer, but 200 000 km. Or 200k km?...

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                                but there is already decameter

                                edit: nevermind i didnt see the "k" after the 10

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                                Decameter is 10 meter, not 10 kilometer. 10km would be a myriadmeter. (SI prefix names are based on greek, and myriad is the greek-based name for 10 000).

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                                  Base 60 is five times better again

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                                    The only positive thing I see about imperial is that things are easily divisible by 3 and 6, but that's about it. Then again, if doing the same with metric, you're usually fine rounding to the nearest millimetre, and if that isn't accurate enough, it's probably not supposed to be done by hand anyway.

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                                    It's funny how the biggest argument for metric is that it's so accurate but in real life use it degrades to "close enough". My main problem with metric is that I can't get my pencil that sharp.

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                                      The only metric to imperial conversion I remember is kilometers to miles since it's pretty close to the golden ratio.

                                      Even if you don't remember that the golden ratio is 1.6 and a bit, you can approximate it by using successive terms of the Fibonacci sequence.

                                      1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 ...

                                      So 8 miles is about 13km (actually 12.87)

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                                      A meter is a Baker's yard. 3 free inches!

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                                        Somewhat related, but I have the worst time trying to convert numbers in my head from long scale in Japan (used to be used in the UK as well) to how it's used in the current English speaking world. So basically they put four zeros per comma as opposed to three, and the names of the numbers reflect that. 1, 10, 100, 1000, and 10000 are all unique number names, but after that comes 10 ten thousands, 100 ten thousands, and then 1000 ten thousands before a new number name at 1,0000,0000 (or 100,000,000).

                                        It wouldn't be so bad to just memorize that 100 thousand is "new number name" if that's all it was, but numbers like that in daily life are pretty much used to talk about money (or somewhat less commonly populations). So once I get the actual number I have to divide by about 100 (or 150, depending on the strength of the yen vs dollar) to think about what it actually means in units I'm used to, like seeing an article saying a government project costs 1.2 billion yen doesn't mean much until I think about it like 12 (or 😎 million USD instead. So I can never really use big numbers in conversation without manually counting zeros in my head.

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

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                                          It's funny how the biggest argument for metric is that it's so accurate but in real life use it degrades to "close enough". My main problem with metric is that I can't get my pencil that sharp.

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                                          It's accurate when you need it to be and gets out of the way when you don't. And if you do need the accuracy, you have a unit that doesn't need fractions.

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