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What is your most "Fuck you, this is actually awesome?" take?

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    The Force Awakens The Last Jedi was the freshest and most creative star wars movie since Empire and Rian Johnson is a hero for trying to take the franchise in a new direction

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    Do you mean The Last Jedi? Force awakens was the first of the new trilogy and was directed by JJ Abrams. If so, agreed.

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      Man, it's not even that bad, but I've been trying to watch my calourie intake for months without success. Losing weight without any outside assistance is fucking hard ...

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      A trick I used was to eat only a certain volume. I had this very reasonably-sized bowl and I'd fill it to the brim (exactly) with food and that would be my lunch for the day. I also always had the same breakfast: a mug of chocolate milk and an apple.

      I cut out all snacks and such, and just tried to eat reasonably healthy foods like rice and tuna, and mashed potatoes with veggies, just random stuff that wasn't chips and gummies.

      Yeah, it's hard, but you can definitely do it! If you need help and don't have anybody close willing and able to guide you, maybe you could look at getting a nutritionist? Not sure how available that is...

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      • lildumpy@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

        I haven't seen it yet, what are the plot holes?

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        The movie is about things going backwards in time. For example, there is a scene where there are bullet holes in a glass window. In a later action scene, these bullet holes are reverted by a gun going backwards in time. Turns out, these bullet holes were also going backwards in time.

        This doesn’t make any sense, because the implication is that this glass window was installed with these bullet holes from the beginning.

        There are more examples of similar paradoxes, so the recommendation is to not think about it too hard.

        But it’s cool either way.

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          Wait but why would someone defend ai art...

          Like the only reason I can think of is it maybe makes someone who is lazy feel good about themselves because they make a computer generated picture with zero effort (while stealing from real artists and feeding the megacorp machine) ?

          Sorry, this is on the same level of saying "well they denied electricity at first and this is just like that!" Braindead take.

          Carry on. (Yes im reinforcing your comment by even replying here, ha!!)

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          Wait but why would someone defend ai art...

          For the same reason that we defended computer-aided art back in the day after people had the exact same reaction to it.

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            Do you mean The Last Jedi? Force awakens was the first of the new trilogy and was directed by JJ Abrams. If so, agreed.

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            Ooops, fixed!

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              Alien, zombie, monster, catastrophe, etc movies and shows. Obviously not all of them, but the genre in general.

              Many people complain these shows only work because the characters act stupid, and it's true.

              BUT:
              a) what's the alternative? Not having these shows at all?
              b) People are stupid even without a catastrophe. What makes you think we suddenly all develop a brain when there's an alien invasion, or zombie outbreak? If Covid showed us anything, than that there's a very large part of the population who'd go out of their way to act against everyone's best interest.

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              Have the characters act smart, and come up with better plot points so that there is still drama?

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                What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?

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                AMD > Nvidia

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                  The Force Awakens The Last Jedi was the freshest and most creative star wars movie since Empire and Rian Johnson is a hero for trying to take the franchise in a new direction

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                  I didn't hate the movie, but it shouldn't have been the middle part of a trilogy that he didn't have control over.

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                    AI art (and AI in general). The amount of misinformed and outright wrong bullshit that gets levelled at me when I defend AI or point out something false is ludicrous. Almost every single argument against it was levelled at photography a century ago, much of that was levelled at pre-mixed paints before that, and what's left is either flat out wrong, or levelled at the wrong place

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                    you’re gonna get endlessly downvoted here on lemmy for this but if it makes you feel any better i work in ML/AI and feel the same way as you and the other guy here comparing it to computerized art.

                    people are really anthropocentric, short-sighted, and reactionary.

                    i’m not convinced by weird capitalist myths of “originality” or “the human touch” or whatever weird fetishizing they wanna do…

                    all art is predicated on that which came before, human or not. AI art is no different. artists shouldn’t be subject to the economy in such a way that something like generative art inspires such societal rage… in china genAI is popular with the youth and generally bc artists and artisans in china aren’t exploited the way they are in the west and are free to view genAI as a tool rather than a threat. why western commission artists direct their anger and rage at the machines putting their oppression on full display and not towards their oppressors and handlers themselves fucking confounds me. maybe people really are just, on average, kind of dumb. i keep looking for alternatives but nothing ever shows itself.

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                    • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                      That small red truck is a truck of a man who truly is masculine. Doesn't give a shit what other people think, needs it to carry supplies, and didn't want to waste any money.

                      Giant lifted trucks are the opposite of masculine. They're for showing off, desperately trying to get people to notice them, they arely if ever haul anything (if they even can anymore with the lift), and they wasted huge amounts of money.

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                      Funny that everyone agrees with this take when it comes to trucks, but if you apply it to clothing it is "toxic masculinity".

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                        Wait but why would someone defend ai art...

                        Like the only reason I can think of is it maybe makes someone who is lazy feel good about themselves because they make a computer generated picture with zero effort (while stealing from real artists and feeding the megacorp machine) ?

                        Sorry, this is on the same level of saying "well they denied electricity at first and this is just like that!" Braindead take.

                        Carry on. (Yes im reinforcing your comment by even replying here, ha!!)

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                        i’m an ML/AI engineer, i could generate plenty of things locally or at the university on their systems without a megacorp involved anywhere in the pipeline at this stage.

                        people would defend AI art bc they’re not conceited and do not hold weird selective views regarding what art is. that’s really all it is.

                        people can hate the technology all they want but that doesn’t change the fact that what they’re actually mad at is the result of solely corporatism and capitalism. the actual technology itself is a fucking fascinating take on statistics and how to handle big data. what, megacorps abused math so now i’m supposed to hate math? i’ll never understand you guys!

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                          The Force Awakens The Last Jedi was the freshest and most creative star wars movie since Empire and Rian Johnson is a hero for trying to take the franchise in a new direction

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                          My main gripe with TLJ is that the editing is a total mess. Multiple scenes lose continuity between shots. The most egregious example is the milk scene, which in addition to being gross and unnecessary, was clearly jammed in between two shots meant to be continuous. Rey and Luke start walking down a skinny peninsula, no space cow in sight, then hard cut to space cow and Luke milking it, then hard cut back to the end of the peninsula and Luke setting down his stuff.

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                            The Force Awakens The Last Jedi was the freshest and most creative star wars movie since Empire and Rian Johnson is a hero for trying to take the franchise in a new direction

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                            I agree that TLJ was the best in the sequel trilogy. I still have very mixed feelings about it, but I do like a lot of it. And at least it was something different and unique, and I appreciate that.

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                            • rustyfish@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                              Rings of Power

                              While it is not perfect, a lot of criticism of the show is insane or plain dishonest. It became a playing ground for shit stirring and easy rage bait.

                              Death Stranding

                              The worst game I ever loved. Yes, the story and dialogue gets weird towards the end. Yes, Kojima keeps over explaining everything almost pathologically. Yes, I only played the Directors Cut, which I have been told reworked most of the game into a better state. And yes, I got PTSD from getting called after every single mission. But if you keep driving vehicles into terrain that obviously isn’t suited to be driven on, or otherwise try to bend the gameplay to your liking instead of accepting how it is supposed to be played, maybe you should play something else.

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                              It took me a while, but I ended up really enjoying Death Stranding. One of the things that made it click for me was that I watched a video essay on a different game that used the playwright Bertholt Brecht's V-effect as an analytical frame.

                              My rough understanding of it is that Brecht wanted to break the fourth wall and prevent audiences from identifying too heavily with characters, enabling them to better engage with the themes of the play; for example, if audiences end up identifying with a character who is a relatable asshole, then they might be less inclined to critically understand this character and the systems that facilitate their assholery.

                              Death Stranding invokes this with its absurd characters and setting. I never stopped finding it jarring when you have such silly character names and plots. This meant that for my first few hours of playing, I felt like I didn't "get it", and it seems like this is a fairly common reaction. However, this sense of "I don't get it" is interesting because of how it primes you to search for something to get — some larger point that Kojima is trying to make with the game. If nothing else, I appreciate games and other media that have something to say, even if I struggle to grasp that message.

                              If I had to distill things down, I think the most prominent theme I understood was "Play is an essential component of human wellness, and it has tremendous capacity to facilitate building human connection". I enjoyed how this was explored narratively through Sam's interactions with various characters, but also through ludic means via the player interacting with other player build structures (I really enjoyed getting so many thumbs up for all the roads I built). Death Stranding sometimes feels pretentious, but I remember thinking "what's more pretentious: the game that's trying (and possibly failing, depending on perspective) hard to say something larger, or the player who regards the game with disdain". Ultimately, I feel that the potential pretentiousness is neutralised by how earnest it is. Yes, it's a very silly game, but that's sort of the point.


                              Regarding Rings of Power, I absolutely hated the show, which sounds like a stronger opinion than what you hold. However, I completely agree that the discourse around the show is a trash fire of bad faith criticism that makes it impossible to express legitimate dislike of the show that's based in honesty.

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                                Mind you, a lot of this reimplementation is because those 1000 other implementations that came before all haven't had their source code released to the public. No amount of vibecoding is going to help there because those LLMs were never trained on code that was never publicly released.

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                                They're trained on plenty that's similar enough, as long as its Python or something in the dataset.

                                It's also been shown that LLMs are good at 'abstracting' languages to another, like training on (as an example) Chinese martial arts storytelling and translating that ability to english, despite having not seen a single english character in the finetune. That specific example I'm thinking of is:

                                https://huggingface.co/TriadParty/Deepsword-34B-Base

                                Same with code. If you're, say, working with a language it doesn't know well, you can finetune it on a relatively small subset, combine with with a framework to verify it, and get good results, like with this:

                                https://huggingface.co/cognition-ai/Kevin-32B

                                chart showing kevin 32B outperform openai

                                Someone did this with GDScript too (the Godot Game Engine scripting language, fairly obscure), but I can't find it atm.


                                Not that they can be trusted for whole implementations or anything, but for banging out tedious blocks? Oh yeah. Especially if its something local/open one can tailor, and not a corporate API.

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                                  i’m an ML/AI engineer, i could generate plenty of things locally or at the university on their systems without a megacorp involved anywhere in the pipeline at this stage.

                                  people would defend AI art bc they’re not conceited and do not hold weird selective views regarding what art is. that’s really all it is.

                                  people can hate the technology all they want but that doesn’t change the fact that what they’re actually mad at is the result of solely corporatism and capitalism. the actual technology itself is a fucking fascinating take on statistics and how to handle big data. what, megacorps abused math so now i’m supposed to hate math? i’ll never understand you guys!

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                                  Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!

                                  My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.

                                  If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.

                                  You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?

                                  For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.

                                  I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)

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                                    you’re gonna get endlessly downvoted here on lemmy for this but if it makes you feel any better i work in ML/AI and feel the same way as you and the other guy here comparing it to computerized art.

                                    people are really anthropocentric, short-sighted, and reactionary.

                                    i’m not convinced by weird capitalist myths of “originality” or “the human touch” or whatever weird fetishizing they wanna do…

                                    all art is predicated on that which came before, human or not. AI art is no different. artists shouldn’t be subject to the economy in such a way that something like generative art inspires such societal rage… in china genAI is popular with the youth and generally bc artists and artisans in china aren’t exploited the way they are in the west and are free to view genAI as a tool rather than a threat. why western commission artists direct their anger and rage at the machines putting their oppression on full display and not towards their oppressors and handlers themselves fucking confounds me. maybe people really are just, on average, kind of dumb. i keep looking for alternatives but nothing ever shows itself.

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                                    The fact you think all art is predicated on what came before is absolutely stupid.

                                    If thats true, there would never have been anything new created. Ai slop generators CANT make anything new because they are limited on their (massively) illegally scraped input.

                                    Also thinking that originality and human experience are capitalist myths is quite humorous, that is a new take.

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                                      Owning a pickup truck is pretty awesome, and I don’t think I’ll ever buy a different type of vehicle again.

                                      Mentioning it online gets hate, but in real life people keep coming up to me, complimenting how nice it looks, asking questions about it, and kids give me thumbs up when I drive by. All of that is just a bonus on top of the fact that I love driving it and the way it looks - and that’s all that really matters.

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                                      I agree with 95% of FuckCars. Cars should not be the default in our society. Cars are at the root of why our cities suck so bad. We need to do as much as we can towards walkability, bikability, and public transportation. Cars won't go away completely, but they don't have to be so prevalent.

                                      The 5% where FuckCars goes wrong is people who don't know anything about cars talking about cars. Their treatment of trucks vs vans is one of those. Vans are useful for trades, and so are trucks. Let the workers decide which one they prefer for their job.

                                      Those workers usually don't need an F150 the size of a small house. They don't even want an F150 the size of a small house. That doesn't mean a van is necessarily what they want.

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                                        What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?

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                                        While there were some truly awful moments in the last season of game of thrones, danaerys' arc was not one of them. Her going nuts was hinted at from the beginning and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

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                                          Owning a pickup truck is pretty awesome, and I don’t think I’ll ever buy a different type of vehicle again.

                                          Mentioning it online gets hate, but in real life people keep coming up to me, complimenting how nice it looks, asking questions about it, and kids give me thumbs up when I drive by. All of that is just a bonus on top of the fact that I love driving it and the way it looks - and that’s all that really matters.

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                                          Out of curiosity, why did you buy it? It's so big and seems like a safety hazard for people, wasteful as well.

                                          What would've convinced you to switch back to something else? Or what would convince others to do so?

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