Too soon?
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Sometimes in the future...
"Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?"
"Well... His final words were 'Counting or not counting gang violence?'"
He died doing what he loved, making excuses for gun violence.
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Did he actually say this?
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We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
Slight nitpick. Though I agree with the whole "we're never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either." In the long term. In the short term there are a lot of innocent people in US concentration camps and whom have been deported. Who would strongly disagree with you.
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Accountability? You mean murdering people you disagree with? Explain again to me how free speech is the seed of... authoritarianism? That's some crazy mental gymnastics. And what laws did Charlie Kirk break?
Perhaps not American law (well, that's debatable too), but he certainly would have been hanged to death at the Nuremberg trials, since he has done the same propaganda that other Nazis in Hitler's government did. That is, if we simply ignore your "appeal to law" fallacy.
That he faced no consequences for stochastic terrorism among other things is only an indication of the failings of both your justice system and your country's morality. Violence like this, against people like him, only happens when there is a lack of justice.
As for how absolute free speech (not to be confused with regulated speech or absolute censorship) can be the seeds of authoritarianism, I suggest you read Popper's "paradox of tolerance" as a starting source. Speech without consequences begets falsehoods that are ripe for any right wing government to co-opt. Which is exactly what has been happening in the USA for quite some time.
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Surely the sniper was stopped by all the people conceal carrying though? I'm told that lots of guns makes everything ever so much safer.
3000 people all shooting their handguns at the sound of the rifle.... might work!
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Yea, all that gang violence in all those schools, Chuck.
What a perfect time for him to be shot. It’s poetry, truly.
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
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He really stuck his neck out for it, worked himself bloody. He took his shot.
Stuck to his guns
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The man lived and died by his words.
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lol. lmao, even.
Thoughts and prayers
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It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.
So no. That's not it. A right is something that is guaranteed by law, such as freedom of speech or running water for your home.
A privilege is something provided by law that isn't totally necessary. Like a driver's license or a concealed carry permit for a firearm.
For the layman the two terms carry similar meanings but in law they are completely different things. The distinction is important.
also let's not get it twisted Charlie Kirk was Luigied.
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You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.
It’s depressing how many tools there everywhere...
Quoth the tool
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No. Leopards had a big meal today.
Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Eew, didn't expect actual necrophilia in this thread. Get his dick out of your mouth man, he's dead!
E: ducking autocorrupt
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See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I'm not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question... When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
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Well go be violent then. Fuck it up for those of us that don’t want any part in your bullshit.
I’m out. I’m done. I’m tired of reading shit from you cowards who do nothing day in and day out but inspire crazy people.
You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals…except you call other people to violence and do nothing. That’s all that is left of your humanity. You’re like Hitler. You dream of gassing your enemies but you’re too cowardly to run the camps yourselves.
Comment back when you’ve killed someone you coward. Go on. Get out there. What’s stopping you?
Let me guess, you’re too comfortable. Your life is ok. Day in and day out with your little dopamine hits. Dreaming and doing nothing.
Go on, coward. Kill someone. Or are you somehow above it? Is that why I’m reading about people other than you in the news every day?
Shut your goddamn mouth until you’ve fired a shot. When you do, I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
I’m so done. I really am.
You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals
...I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
Ah, you're one of the rational ones, i see
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Since you brought it up, do you have any numbers to support that?
Are we playing questions?
"Counting or not counting gang violence?"
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I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I'm not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question... When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
when they talk about removing rights from the “others” in society.
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Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
They would full up on forehead
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Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
What do do think Civil wars are then?
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You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.
Tell that to Charlie. He advocated for that actual fucking reality.
