Too soon?
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See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I'm not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question... When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
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Well go be violent then. Fuck it up for those of us that don’t want any part in your bullshit.
I’m out. I’m done. I’m tired of reading shit from you cowards who do nothing day in and day out but inspire crazy people.
You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals…except you call other people to violence and do nothing. That’s all that is left of your humanity. You’re like Hitler. You dream of gassing your enemies but you’re too cowardly to run the camps yourselves.
Comment back when you’ve killed someone you coward. Go on. Get out there. What’s stopping you?
Let me guess, you’re too comfortable. Your life is ok. Day in and day out with your little dopamine hits. Dreaming and doing nothing.
Go on, coward. Kill someone. Or are you somehow above it? Is that why I’m reading about people other than you in the news every day?
Shut your goddamn mouth until you’ve fired a shot. When you do, I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
I’m so done. I really am.
You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals
...I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
Ah, you're one of the rational ones, i see
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Since you brought it up, do you have any numbers to support that?
Are we playing questions?
"Counting or not counting gang violence?"
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I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I'm not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question... When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
when they talk about removing rights from the “others” in society.
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Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
They would full up on forehead
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Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
What do do think Civil wars are then?
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You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.
Tell that to Charlie. He advocated for that actual fucking reality.
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Kirk was under a "change my mind" banner as he said his last words "gang violence"
He's also espoused that we have to accept a certain amount of deaths so we can keep the 2nd amendment.
He's also espoused that we have to accept a certain amount of deaths so we can keep the 2nd amendment.
Lol yeah, I get it - I made this meme dude. Just saying the guy in your picture isn't Charlie Kirk, that's a different dude.
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His wife and kid(s) were apparently in the audience, this was probably very scaring for the kids if they saw it.
Anyways crazy you're at negative votes, not very ethical of the downvoters
Don’t live a life where you call people subhuman and you won't be treated like this when you get murdered.
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Slight nitpick. Though I agree with the whole "we're never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either." In the long term. In the short term there are a lot of innocent people in US concentration camps and whom have been deported. Who would strongly disagree with you.
Biden deported 250% more people than Trump’s first term, and Stephen Miller was reportedly screaming at a meeting with ICE leadership because he was pissed they were barely keeping pace with Biden’s deportation numbers.
The Democrat fascists have troves of victims, too, but the media only gives them a microphone when they’re victims of Republicans.
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No, and that’s why we’re still doing this shit.
So 1945 didn't help at all? It just created more violence? All the Jews we saved from those camps, we made it worse?
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I suspect they'll reply with silence like they usually do when proven wrong.
Seriously. The idea that they're just words and they have no meaning is historically ignorant. We executed Nazi propagandists, even if they never killed anyone with their own hands. Inciting others to genocide is still a crime against humanity.
Kirk was openly calling for the extermination of a group of people that represents the same portion of the US population as the Jews did in Germany prior to WW2. It is not all hyperbole to place Kirk's death in its proper historical context. We literally executed people for doing what Kirk made his whole career doing.
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We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]We were better off with the Dems in charge. The difference is it's like having your feet on fire vs full emolation. But the point is it's easier to extinguish feet than it is the whole body, and causes less damage too.
And by this I mean peace was still a possible, if unlikely, resolution.
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We were better off with the Dems in charge. The difference is it's like having your feet on fire vs full emolation. But the point is it's easier to extinguish feet than it is the whole body, and causes less damage too.
And by this I mean peace was still a possible, if unlikely, resolution.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I bet the people being actively killed and oppressed by the Dems would disagree. It sounds more like you personally felt less threatened under Dems, and you want to return to that place of privilege.
When the ICE raids began, Democrats published a public thank you letter to the agents. If you think this will get better with Dems in charge, you aren’t paying attention.
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when they talk about removing rights from the “others” in society.
I don't know your backgrounds or motivations, but that simple a response feels flippant.
I too believe that you should obviously resist and try to counter someone who wants to stamp down the "other" just because they are the other. But simple talk probably shouldn't warrant execution, unless you want those same rules to apply against you as well. Fight them with words and actions, yes. Discredit the speaker and their ideas, embarrass them, ostracize them. Drive them and their bass-ackwards views out of polite society. I know this is difficult in the current environment. They appear to have no shame. But I think the bar for for violence has to be higher.
I wont shed any tears for this guy. I wont use his name. I want him to be forgotten. But I don't think his killing should be celebrated either.
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Do we have a Hermann Cain awards community here
We don't, but I think the old community on Reddit kind of died out with the vaccines becoming wildly available. I will admit, that was the highlight of many of my days during peak COVID. It was fucked up, but therapeutic in some weird way.
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I don't know your backgrounds or motivations, but that simple a response feels flippant.
I too believe that you should obviously resist and try to counter someone who wants to stamp down the "other" just because they are the other. But simple talk probably shouldn't warrant execution, unless you want those same rules to apply against you as well. Fight them with words and actions, yes. Discredit the speaker and their ideas, embarrass them, ostracize them. Drive them and their bass-ackwards views out of polite society. I know this is difficult in the current environment. They appear to have no shame. But I think the bar for for violence has to be higher.
I wont shed any tears for this guy. I wont use his name. I want him to be forgotten. But I don't think his killing should be celebrated either.
i am saying that the time to act is now. unless you want to wait until the genocide starts. it sounded flippant because it was.
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The man lived and died by his words.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Betcha he wouldn't have been willing to die if given a choice, though. That's for other people to do. Well, now he's "other people."
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What a terrible person to not miss.
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It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
Happy birthday!
