Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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Nah, it's the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just "this is deserved" (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can't control and it's backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk's 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like "this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government" to "I trust my friends in the government" over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of "you need to fight those in power by any means necessary" and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don't know if it's gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
"Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to..." And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place... I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against "the left". Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. "We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?" will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick... "Consequences."
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I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC's and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
The worst thing you can to do an enemy is kill him. The worst thing he can do to you, is have you become just like him. Something to think about... or ignore, if youre already too far gone.
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"The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts."
And you scoff like my statement was outlandish.
My gut feeling is this isn't going to be as impactful as people are saying. I remember the media buzz after Trump was almost waxed and we didn't see any (noteworthy) reprisals.
Depends. Jan 6th saw some pretty unhinged people get together with guns and zip ties. It wouldnt take much, for that to have gone a whole lot worse. And now we are seeing right leaders and influencers all over the world mark this as a call for violence against the left. I have a feeling that somebody, somewhere, who has no connection to whats happened, pay the price for whats happened to Kirk.
If nothing else, he'll become a martyr. And that might be the worst thing of all.
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OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.
Yes. I cannot willingly be gleeful of another's death. Physically can't.
A cashier told me in glee when he had been shot. I thought that moment was so representative of where we are now.
Hateful cunts finally getting consequence On one hand, but gleeful at another humans death. Odd feeling.
Systems are broken. Rise in political violence. Tale as old as time..
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I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.
Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.
Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.
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So he's a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don't know what they mean.
I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
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I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.
Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.
Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.
How do you unfuck this mess?
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I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.
Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.
Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.
Your last sentence is what I've been worried about as well. We all know Trump is a blathering idiot, but he's chomping at the bit to use military powers on US soil, and so far has been with no real reason. He could very easily use this as an excuse to further deploy troops and/or push more of his fascist agenda.
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I remember every single time someone they didn't like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk's killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or... maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson... because Luigi is innocent.
Honestly I wonder how much they're going to steer that narrative, even if it was a conservative.
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They want pity and/or retribution for him for him, then there's a list he needs to get on.
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Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
In doing so, you're spreading vile evil ideals that lead to pain and suffering of others.
The message that it's fair game to murder and hurt people, as long as you view them as "other".
The test is empathy, man.
Exactly!
Charlie actively advocated against that
Pot, meet kettle
Imagine a scene where 2 new people come to your house for a party made up of people from many backgrounds, one is kind and the other is hateful and verbally abuses and bullies the one who is kind for something they have no choice over such that they leave your house. Then seeing this one of the other party members kicks the bully out of the house for them being massively rude. Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own. The party itself is still widely diverse accepting all who preserve the welcoming spirit of the party.
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.
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The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can't do the math, though, I'm no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don't apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don't even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
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“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire.
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it's racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude "gang violence" from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
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I remember every single time someone they didn't like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk's killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or... maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson... because Luigi is innocent.
Imagine they end up framing luigi for this too
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How do you unfuck this mess?
Not have Trump as president right now is a small first step.
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Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn't even a different opinion. It's the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
This person is correct.
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Honestly I wonder how much they're going to steer that narrative, even if it was a conservative.
I just read somewhere that... well maybe this was an inside job? The reason being is that since Trump's creepy as fuck birthday letter became public, he needed something big to distract and shut down discussion so he had Kirk shot?
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Your last sentence is what I've been worried about as well. We all know Trump is a blathering idiot, but he's chomping at the bit to use military powers on US soil, and so far has been with no real reason. He could very easily use this as an excuse to further deploy troops and/or push more of his fascist agenda.
He doesn't need an excuse though. He's going to do it no matter what happens. There is absolutely no hope he won't, just because you don't make a fuzz about it. It's not like he's just now thinking: "well now they've done it! They've gotten violent! I gotta make concentration camps, and use military personel and weapons to quell their protests, and maybe even attack the whole democratic process!". He's already doing it.
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Guess how Nazis were defeated in WW2...
Was it by peacefully protesting, and asking them to please, oh please! stop? 'Cause if it was, the american people are right on track to winning this one!
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You could also be happy in Kim Jong Un dies... maybe Putin?
I always wonder where the cut off is, how evil does someone have to be for society to accept their death with gladness?
Putin is definitely on that list.
