Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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I take a little solace from the fact that win or not, he will not be here to see it through
I understand finding comfort where you can, but consider: Kirk not being here to "see it through" assumes his death diminishes his impact. The opposite is true. Alive, he was one voice that could be countered, fact-checked, and eventually forgotten. Dead, he becomes eternal; forever young, forever wronged, forever useful to those who will absolutely be here to see it through. The solace is hollow when his absence strengthens everything he stood for.
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
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Nazism is a form of fascism, identifying ethnic Germans as part of what the Nazis regarded as a Nordic Aryan master race.
Lots of ethnic Germanic folks in Israel, to be sure. Yes, this is sarcasm.
It's funny to compare the definitions of nazism in English versus Swedish though. It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
Direct translation from the Swedish version
Nazism is part of fascist ideologi. It made the claim that certain races of human had greater value than others. The "Aryan race" and the Germanic peoples were seen as the highest in the racial hierarchy. The "enemy race" were the so-called untermenschen (subhumans), who were often called "the masses from the East", which mainly included Jews, Slavs, Poles and Roma, but also the disabled and homosexuals. [
It would be like calling the Japanese during world war 2 nazis. It's just silly.
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Ohhh! I love Starship Troopers! The book, not so much, but the movie I adore.
Let's dig into your choice to respond with this scene.
That's the moment where Verhoeven shows us 'Federation Victory'! The good guys have won! They've captured the Brain Bug! It's afraid! Humanity wins!
Except what's actually happening is fascists celebrating the torture of a sentient being. One that extracted human minds just as they'll now extract from its mind; each side justifying their horrors by pointing to the other's. All while convincing themselves they're heroes.
The Federation doesn't attempt communication or diplomacy. They literally probe its brain for intel while cheering its terror. The troops cheering 'It's afraid!' aren't the good guys. They're Verhoeven's mirror showing us how righteousness becomes the very tyranny it claims to fight.
NPH's character literally becomes a full SS-uniformed intelligence officer who feeds his best friends into an endless meat grinder. The bugs were defending their home. The Federation manufactured its own eternal enemy. And everyone cheering becomes complicit in forever war.
You've sent me a scene about people so drunk on their enemy's fear that they can't see they've become the monsters.
So either you're agreeing that celebrating suffering makes us indistinguishable from what we oppose, or you've accidentally proven my point by quoting the villains as heroes.
Either way, I couldn't have picked a better metaphor myself.
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In words and actions he did so incredibly clearly.
As are you, right now.
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I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.
I told them, I can't do that because I'm not 6ft under.
It's unlikely that he has been buried yet. Inaccurate joke.
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I dearly regret Charlies tragic passing.
When I initially heard the news I was hoping he was in for a half a century of quadriplegia with destroyed vocal cords.
It's okay, you can also deeply regret his tragic birth, too.
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Doesnt really matter what excuse you come up with, its the same ones they come up with to dehumanize others, and so on and so on. At the end of the day, youre a ghoul who cheered the death of a guy because you didnt like his opinions, and you let a fucking algorithm convince he wasnt a human being. Imagine being one of his kids, and seeing people cheer that your dad is dead. You would 100% hate everyone that cheered. The context wouldnt matter, like it fucking does anyway.
Hate spreads more hate. Thats the long and short of it. And at some point, things are going to get right out of hand and you'll be cheering as people die. Just as long as its the right people. Because god fucking forbid any of you culture warriors actually talk to each other, instead of just reading clickable headlines and being outraged.
lol no. You're just fucking stupid if you think self defense is equivalent to wanting to punch strangers...
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Ohhh! I love Starship Troopers! The book, not so much, but the movie I adore.
Let's dig into your choice to respond with this scene.
That's the moment where Verhoeven shows us 'Federation Victory'! The good guys have won! They've captured the Brain Bug! It's afraid! Humanity wins!
Except what's actually happening is fascists celebrating the torture of a sentient being. One that extracted human minds just as they'll now extract from its mind; each side justifying their horrors by pointing to the other's. All while convincing themselves they're heroes.
The Federation doesn't attempt communication or diplomacy. They literally probe its brain for intel while cheering its terror. The troops cheering 'It's afraid!' aren't the good guys. They're Verhoeven's mirror showing us how righteousness becomes the very tyranny it claims to fight.
NPH's character literally becomes a full SS-uniformed intelligence officer who feeds his best friends into an endless meat grinder. The bugs were defending their home. The Federation manufactured its own eternal enemy. And everyone cheering becomes complicit in forever war.
You've sent me a scene about people so drunk on their enemy's fear that they can't see they've become the monsters.
So either you're agreeing that celebrating suffering makes us indistinguishable from what we oppose, or you've accidentally proven my point by quoting the villains as heroes.
Either way, I couldn't have picked a better metaphor myself.
Or I used a well-known movie scene to poke at historically violent people using violence to score political points. Noting hypocrisy in a group is not to stoop to their level.
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My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don't talk to him much.
Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.
Guess sometimes parents can suck too
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Or I used a well-known movie scene to poke at historically violent people using violence to score political points. Noting hypocrisy in a group is not to stoop to their level.
It appears you do not want to know more.
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Your "cool story bro" response is exactly the kind of thinking that creates space for demagogues to thrive. When someone offers strategic analysis about why celebrating political violence backfires, and you respond with a thought-terminating cliché, you're demonstrating the same anti-intellectual reflex that makes populations vulnerable to manipulation.
Think about what made Charlie Kirk successful: he offered simple, emotionally satisfying answers to complex problems. "Your problems aren't from complicated economic systems, it's those people over there." His audience loved him because he never asked them to think harder than a bumper sticker.
And here you are, faced with someone explaining why emotional satisfaction isn't political victory, why martyrdom empowers the very ideas we need to defeat... and your response is a meme. You're operating at exactly the level of discourse that Kirk counted on: where snark replaces strategy, where being dismissive feels like being strong, where "cool story bro" seems like a clever response to warnings about tactical disaster.
The movements that win understand complexity. The movements that lose mistake attitude for analysis. When you brush off strategic thinking with internet catchphrases, you're not fighting against the Charlie Kirks of the world. You're proving that their reduction of politics to tribal reflexes and emotional reactions was right all along.
The system that produces Charlie Kirks depends on people refusing to think beyond the satisfaction of the dunk, the own, the sick burn. Your dismissal isn't rebellion; it's compliance with the exact intellectual laziness that powerful interests count on to keep populations manageable and movements ineffective.
I said good story, because it reads a lot like you trying to convince yourself. I'm also very tired of hearing essentially "protest the right way" whenever anyone actually does something to improve the country.
Youll probably type out 8 more paragraphs of nonsense amounting to you being too afraid to admit when a bad thing results in good things.
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I said good story, because it reads a lot like you trying to convince yourself. I'm also very tired of hearing essentially "protest the right way" whenever anyone actually does something to improve the country.
Youll probably type out 8 more paragraphs of nonsense amounting to you being too afraid to admit when a bad thing results in good things.
Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn't have happened.
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow
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He had shitty opinions, we know. I won't follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world's population improved with one less hateful person around.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
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I'd like to ask a general question that I'm not entirely sure I can give enough context for.
When did we as a society start listening so intently to what amounts to barely more than children? This Kirk guy looked chromosomal on top of being barely out of high school, how and why do so many people listen to him?
Half a century ago thought leaders were people like Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan or Gwynne Dyer or Roy Bonisteel or any number of scholarly people over a certain age.
When did we start caring about high schooler's opinions on a national level?
This same phenomenon is how Trump rose to power. A lot of Americans are dumb AF and traditional politicians sound "fancy" and condescending when they speak, making them notice their own stupidity right in the feels. People like CK and 47 talk at their level and make them feel good about themselves, their regressive ignorant hatred of "libruls", and so on. It's Idiocracy in real life.
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This same phenomenon is how Trump rose to power. A lot of Americans are dumb AF and traditional politicians sound "fancy" and condescending when they speak, making them notice their own stupidity right in the feels. People like CK and 47 talk at their level and make them feel good about themselves, their regressive ignorant hatred of "libruls", and so on. It's Idiocracy in real life.
I don't know, I just regret not arranging my finances earlier so I can get the fuck out of the city, not have to work, and live as far as possible from people.
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Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
They were getting that anyway.
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The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
Just to add, assassinations are not cool whether they're extrajudicial or not.
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Civil war isn’t the only option. If you folks stopped looking left and right and started looking up and down you could move right to revolution.
And if wishes were fishes there would be no room in the ocean for water.
You aren't wrong, but "could" is doing some heavy lifting.
