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Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers

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  • B [email protected]

    A game blocks cheats or it doesn't. Valorant certainly still has cheaters. Only cheat providers and gaming companies will have those numbers and I'm not sure they are going to release them.

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    Thanks for letting me know. So we don't have any proof at all that these anti cheats are effective? I'm not even saying which anti cheat. Just saying in general.

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      Thanks for letting me know. So we don't have any proof at all that these anti cheats are effective? I'm not even saying which anti cheat. Just saying in general.

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      Depends on your definition of effective. Both are still certainly too much. I haven't seen one that's 100% effective.

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      • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

        https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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        LETSGOOOOOO CS2 VIABLE AGAAAIN

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        • B [email protected]

          Depends on your definition of effective. Both are still certainly too much. I haven't seen one that's 100% effective.

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          What do you mean definition of effective lmfao. An anti cheat should stop cheaters. If I go on counter strike and I find a cheater then that anti cheat is ineffective. If I go on valorant and don't find a cheater that is effective. It's not that complicated.

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          • A [email protected]

            What do you mean definition of effective lmfao. An anti cheat should stop cheaters. If I go on counter strike and I find a cheater then that anti cheat is ineffective. If I go on valorant and don't find a cheater that is effective. It's not that complicated.

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            Then I'd argue there isn't an effective anti cheat. Valorant definitely has cheaters.

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            • A [email protected]

              So what's the point of an anti cheat then if you don't know how many people are cheating, how many people are not, and you don't have confidence that the anti cheat is 99% effective at the very least?

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              It can be tested in closed systems but it's not something you can easily define the success rate of because the cheats are constantly evolving and game updates close or introduce vulnerabilities.

              There is still value of having an anti-cheat even if it does not have a high chance of catching cheaters, so long as it keeps false positives to a minimum.

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              • B [email protected]

                I don’t generally have a problem with anti-cheat mechanisms except when they require things like secure-boot or allowing me to do what I want with my machine.

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                They're all proprietary, wouldn't want that crap on my system anyway. (I don't game anymore)

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                • T [email protected]

                  It can be tested in closed systems but it's not something you can easily define the success rate of because the cheats are constantly evolving and game updates close or introduce vulnerabilities.

                  There is still value of having an anti-cheat even if it does not have a high chance of catching cheaters, so long as it keeps false positives to a minimum.

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                  "there is still value of having an anti cheat even though it does not have a high chance of catch cheaters"

                  That doesn't make any sense. LOL. What's the value then of the anti cheat?

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Then I'd argue there isn't an effective anti cheat. Valorant definitely has cheaters.

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                    Can you please provide evidence that valorant has more or less cheaters than CS2, scaled by player base. Hearsay and personal experience aren't facts. I personally have not encountered more than 1 cheater in valorant whereas with other games without kernel level anti cheat, every other lobby has one.

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                    • A [email protected]

                      Can you please provide evidence that valorant has more or less cheaters than CS2, scaled by player base. Hearsay and personal experience aren't facts. I personally have not encountered more than 1 cheater in valorant whereas with other games without kernel level anti cheat, every other lobby has one.

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                      By your definition, anti cheat stops cheaters or it doesn't lmfao what does other games have to do with it? Can you provide sources that valorant only has 1 cheater?

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                      • B [email protected]

                        By your definition, anti cheat stops cheaters or it doesn't lmfao what does other games have to do with it? Can you provide sources that valorant only has 1 cheater?

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                        I asked you to provide evidence of the rampant cheating problem in valorant as compared to games without kernel level anti cheat. The theory being, if valorant has less cheaters than let's say, CS, that means a kernel level anti cheat is more effective than VAC at deterring cheating.

                        Of course that's just a theory. No one has evidence for anything 🙂

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                        • A [email protected]

                          "there is still value of having an anti cheat even though it does not have a high chance of catch cheaters"

                          That doesn't make any sense. LOL. What's the value then of the anti cheat?

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                          You can die in a car accident, even if you wear a seat belt.

                          LOL what's the value of a seatbelt? You're either very dull or a troll. Maybe both.

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                          • T [email protected]

                            You can die in a car accident, even if you wear a seat belt.

                            LOL what's the value of a seatbelt? You're either very dull or a troll. Maybe both.

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                            That's a car not a video game. You don't need to insult me you dimwit. Apples and oranges.

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                            • A [email protected]

                              That's a car not a video game. You don't need to insult me you dimwit. Apples and oranges.

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                              You failed to understand the parallel between my example and the topic at hand, so I'm proud to announce that you've passed the idiot test with flying colors!

                              Pro tip: apples and oranges can be compared and contrasted. They have a large variety of similarities and differences.

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                              • T [email protected]

                                You failed to understand the parallel between my example and the topic at hand, so I'm proud to announce that you've passed the idiot test with flying colors!

                                Pro tip: apples and oranges can be compared and contrasted. They have a large variety of similarities and differences.

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                                Why do you sound like a 12th grader who just discovered Reddit? "You've passed the idiot test!" 🤓🤓🤓

                                Cringiest comment I've ever seen in my life. Goodbye cunt.

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                                • A [email protected]

                                  Why do you sound like a 12th grader who just discovered Reddit? "You've passed the idiot test!" 🤓🤓🤓

                                  Cringiest comment I've ever seen in my life. Goodbye cunt.

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                                  Lol, I can't even play around with a satirical condescending tone because you're too dense to pick up on it.

                                  I guess there are people with lead skulls! (/s)

                                  Bye-bye shitstain!

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                                    Lol, I can't even play around with a satirical condescending tone because you're too dense to pick up on it.

                                    I guess there are people with lead skulls! (/s)

                                    Bye-bye shitstain!

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                                    "I was only pretending to act like an idiot"

                                    And you double down. Redditor sounding like an AI chatbot. Get fucked.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      I assume Steam makes it easier to make multiplayer games then GOG?

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                                      Much more so - I think largely because of Steam's game server networking and update infrastructure.

                                      Also anti-cheats (of any sort) and DRM-free games are kind of oil and water.

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                                      • A [email protected]

                                        I asked you to provide evidence of the rampant cheating problem in valorant as compared to games without kernel level anti cheat. The theory being, if valorant has less cheaters than let's say, CS, that means a kernel level anti cheat is more effective than VAC at deterring cheating.

                                        Of course that's just a theory. No one has evidence for anything 🙂

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                                        So you have no evidence?

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                                        • B [email protected]

                                          So you have no evidence?

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                                          https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/vanguard-hits-new-bans-per-second-record/

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1kg69eb/how_many_cheaters_do_you_face_daily/

                                          Literally two seconds of Google.

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