Valve adds "all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code" to its Source mod tools, letting modders "build completely new games based on TF2" and publish them on Steam
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Eh, maybe I'm being pedantic, but I still don't really see how the addition of the steam marketplace is an example of the steam platform declining in quality. It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games. Sure it's a needless addition (in our opinions), but one that I can easily ignore because it's so isolated from the main product. Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification. And I feel like the spam would happen regardless of if the marketplace was there or not. That feels more like a moderation problem, not an enshittification problem.
Sure, if you ignore the worst parts of it that I explicitly laid out and only focus on how it makes you feel personally, then I can see how you might feel that way.
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Sure, if you ignore the worst parts of it that I explicitly laid out and only focus on how it makes you feel personally, then I can see how you might feel that way.
I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't agree that the steam marketplace, and all the stuff you're talking about related to the steam marketplace, fits either of our definitions of enshittification.
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I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't agree that the steam marketplace, and all the stuff you're talking about related to the steam marketplace, fits either of our definitions of enshittification.
Okay, I don't understand how and you haven't explained it, you've just said that you don't personally care about it, which isn't an argument I can respond to. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't see how it's relevant here.
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A few takeaways from the move:
- Any modifications must be released as mods
- Players downloading the mods must own the base game
- The mods must be free and no aspect of the mod can be monetized.
- The mods can now access TF2 steam inventory for cosmetics and weapons (but cannot modify the inventory)
Isn't this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you're hosting a server with .smx plugins.
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Okay, I don't understand how and you haven't explained it, you've just said that you don't personally care about it, which isn't an argument I can respond to. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't see how it's relevant here.
It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games... Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification.
I have explained it though
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It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn't interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games... Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don't like or don't use, but that isn't the same thing as enshittification.
I have explained it though
Yes, you ignored the worst parts of it in favour of things you could dismiss for yourself, and then you ignored me pointing that out. I'm not going to keep explaining this to you any further.
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I miss The Specialists and Vampire Slayer mods so so much...
Specialists mentioned
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Yes, you ignored the worst parts of it in favour of things you could dismiss for yourself, and then you ignored me pointing that out. I'm not going to keep explaining this to you any further.
The only one ignoring things is you. You're ignoring my whole point. Which is that your personal bar for enshittification is lower than any of the definitions we've given in this thread, because it's basically "anything I think is bad is enshittification"
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Thinking back, HL had a ridiculous quantity of high quality mods and TCs back in the day. Hell, Valve have even allowed HL to be remade and sold on steam.
Natural Selection was a quality one.
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Isn't this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you're hosting a server with .smx plugins.
Sort of, but those let you use the pre-existing codebase for each game as is. This lets you play with the inner workings. You could do something drastic like implant rollback netcode, add new classes, wild shit.
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This functionality has been ripped out of the game
Nope, see the server browser ingame
The game has been dead, riddled with bots
Not anymore!
Most players are using casual mode which is terrible. The community servers in TF2 are a pale shadow of what they once were.
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Source mod tools not to be confused with Sourcemod tools.
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What a boss move by Valve
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Most players are using casual mode which is terrible. The community servers in TF2 are a pale shadow of what they once were.
Casual's fine
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Casual's fine
Yeah you'd think that if you never played before it ruined the entire game.
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Yeah, as a resident Valve hater I agree it’s a weird thing to get angry over.
If there was anything to get angry over is that I bought this game in a box (stand alone because I was too broke for Orange Box!) with an understanding that it’s an online multiplayer shooter. Meaning, there are servers you join manually from a list, shoot at other guys for a bit and return to that server or not based on how good time it was. This functionality has been ripped out of the game and replaced with some weird algorithm. Before that Valve broke their own design promises of clear silhouettes which made the game less accessible. The game has been dead, riddled with bots farming in-game items that can be traded for real money that Valve added to the game because they could. If it was any other game I wouldn’t care but TF2 started out as an amazing game that was mangled beyond recognition by Valve greed.
They should have released TF2 source code this way 10 years ago. They’re probably doing this now because income from TF2 related items on Marketplace is probably laughably small compared to their other titles.
I'm a Valve stan but it's disgusting how they've abused and neglected TF2. It would unironically be significantly better if they just rolled back every change since 2016.
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The only one ignoring things is you. You're ignoring my whole point. Which is that your personal bar for enshittification is lower than any of the definitions we've given in this thread, because it's basically "anything I think is bad is enshittification"
Your point is that the issues don't affect the core experience, and I've explained how that's wrong, and you've ignored it.
You're also now blatantly mischaracterising what I've said.
If you want me to keep talking to you, I need you to tell me that you are actually curious to understand what I have to say.
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Your point is that the issues don't affect the core experience, and I've explained how that's wrong, and you've ignored it.
You're also now blatantly mischaracterising what I've said.
If you want me to keep talking to you, I need you to tell me that you are actually curious to understand what I have to say.
Nah I don't really want you to keep talking to me
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Nah I don't really want you to keep talking to me
In future you can just say that rather than talking in circles and making no sense. Goodbye.
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Yeah you'd think that if you never played before it ruined the entire game.
I've played TF2 for years-- only, after Meet Your Match. (Wow this game is old...)
