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  • Z [email protected]

    Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

    Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

    What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

    gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
    gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #12

    You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don't need to send any data.

    Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.

    This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.

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    • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

      Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

      We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

      The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

      gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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      #13

      Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

      This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

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      • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

        You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don't need to send any data.

        Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.

        This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.

        breakfastmtn@lemmy.caB This user is from outside of this forum
        breakfastmtn@lemmy.caB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #14

        Even writing a post, you're entering data through Firefox into the post box. We just don't consider that data. It would be pretty quiet around here if you couldn't do that...

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        • captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

          How about Orion?

          tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #15

          Or just make NetSurf good enough?

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          • C [email protected]

            I have really high hopes that Ladybird picks up the slack

            tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #16

            Or make NetSurf good enough? It's mature (and lacking developers), Ladybird is not.

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            • Z [email protected]

              Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

              Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

              What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

              tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
              tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #17

              Oh no, does this mean that Mozilla doesn't give a damn about the privacy of their last twelve users? I.e. those who did not see that coming a decade ago?

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              • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

                Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

                We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

                The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

                tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #18

                Used FF forever

                So you probably should remember the Mozilla FAQ entry that it's "Firefox", not "FireFox"; and that's why they prefer "fx" because "FF" makes no sense. 😜

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                • Z [email protected]

                  Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                  Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                  What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                  krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
                  krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #19

                  WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                  They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                  How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                  This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

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                  • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                    Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

                    This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

                    kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
                    kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #20

                    This isn’t really even bad communication. This is idiots with a platform screaming FUD for attention.

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                    • tux0r@feddit.orgT [email protected]

                      Or just make NetSurf good enough?

                      mcasq_qsacj_234@lemmy.zipM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #21

                      NetSurf updates are very slow

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                      • mcasq_qsacj_234@lemmy.zipM [email protected]

                        NetSurf updates are very slow

                        tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #22

                        NetSurf needs more developers, which is one of the reasons for the development pace, and I'm happy for every occasion to help them get more, so here's today's one.

                        (Mature software needs fewer updates than fresh software too, but that's probably not the most critical aspect here.)

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                        • Z [email protected]

                          Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                          Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                          What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                          cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #23

                          i still like mozilla (and I donate to them monthly because i believe in the mission of an open internet) and, unlike most people, i don't think this is a very big deal.

                          however, i don't want to put all my eggs in one basket so... are there any other ethical pro open internet evangelist groups i should start to follow or contribute to? preferably an ethical foundation that isn't cryptofash or bigoted. i know there's the eff but they're not really focused on an open and free internet, they're more privacy (nothing against them; i love them).

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                          • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                            WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                            They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                            How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                            This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

                            B This user is from outside of this forum
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                            You use your own software and read bug reports.

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                            • Z [email protected]

                              Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                              Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                              What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                              sunshine@lemmy.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #25

                              Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                              • dojan@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                Yes, they're gearing up to sell your data.

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                                Thanks to that overpaid ceo.

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                                • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                                  WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                                  They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                                  How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                                  This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

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                                  If data can be abused it will be abused.

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                                  • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                    Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                                    Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?

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                                      Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?

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                                      The Mullvad browser is based on the gecko engine while Brave is based on chromium.

                                      I dont trust Brave much because the creator is into right-wing politics and bitcoin.

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536

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                                      • Z [email protected]

                                        Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                                        Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                                        What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                                        cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Get ready for ads as well

                                        https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

                                        They removed this:

                                        
                                                    {
                                        
                                                        "@type": "Question",
                                        
                                                        "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",
                                        
                                                        "acceptedAnswer": {
                                        
                                                            "@type": "Answer",
                                        
                                                            "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "
                                        
                                                        }
                                        
                                                    },
                                        
                                        
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                                        • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                          Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                                          An alternative browser (not based on the Chromium) should be driven by the community (vide Proton).

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