What’s an unspoken rule that absolutely everyone should know, but most people clearly don’t?
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What I'm looking to do is point out that the world isn't ever black-and-white, that the broadly applicable standards - while I agree that they are in fact broadly applicable - are never universal, and that edge-cases exist everywhere and need to be accounted for or the world is just a worse place for everyone. I'm not saying 'your solution must handle solve for every case', I'm saying 'be aware that your solution needs to be flexible enough to account the fact that the real world is messy and things are never as simple as you'd like to believe.'
I am specifically, as you say, advocating for the use of best judgement over moral absolutes (I have heard it said, in person and online, that anyone who doesn't put a shopping cart back no matter the reason is a shit human being, f.ex, so there are definitely people out there slinging moral absolutes on the subject of shopping carts.)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I highly doubt you have heard a significant number of people who would genuinely say "disabled people who don't put their carts back are shit people."
The number of people who would unironically say that is such a small edge case that it's not necessary to talk about them when you say things like "everyone knows that disabilities result in different needs and moral responsibilities," just like it's not necessary to mention disability when you generalize and say "people who don't put their carts back are shit people."
Edge cases don't have to be accounted for in every conversation, not everything is a court of law.
This isn't really any more deep than "only a sith deals in absolutes"
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Don't make phone calls on speaker when in public. Not even if you hold it up to your ear.
Similarly, watching videos/listening to music on full volume in public without headphones
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When you bring your vehicle to a mechanic, please clean your nasty shit out first. It ain't gotta be totally perfect, but hell, clean your own nasty junk and bug infestation out first.
Side note: Please make sure to properly disable your car alarm before getting your oil changed. I can guarantee you that the guy working in the pit really appreciates his (/her) eardrums, and the pit is a literal echo chamber.
You want a sledgehammer to the bottom of your transmission? Sure, just let your stupid ass car alarm go off in the shop, go ahead and test your luck with the mechanic in the pit that probably already has a migraine..
Edit: 3rd respect for mechanics. Please God don't sit in your vehicle running the air conditioner while waiting for an oil change, oil gets fucking hot yo! Please let your vehicle cool off, there's a damn fine reason they have an air conditioned waiting room.
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There's really only two of them:
- Don't be stupid.
- Don't be a dick.
They're not even unspoken, people say them all the time, but some people just don't pay attention I guess.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You're absolutely correct, but lol this is really weird given your other comments in this post.
Why didn't you clarify about edge cases, like disabilities?
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People that do this are inviting you to join the call. Announce yourself and ask what the caller is wearing.
Uh... Khakis.
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Worked at a Starbucks in college that was open until midnight. One time there were a couple of girls hanging out and didn’t leave when 12 rolled around. We started doing our closing tasks, locked the doors, etc. and they still remained. Finally I was starting to mop the floor and one of them said to me, “Were you going to ask us to leave?” And I said, “We’re not allowed to.” They were so apologetic after that. Yeah whatever, just get the hell out.
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If you're in a drive on the left or right side of the road country, that goes for bike and walking paths too. Eg in Australia, keep left on footpaths.
Actually, in Hungary (at least when I was a kid) they thought us, pedestrians, to use the left side, although this was more important when there was no sidewalk. The reason is, drivers might not see pedestrians very well, especially at night, but pedestrians do have a higher chance to see cars, as cars are usually illuminated. The pedestrian is facing forward, so it's easy to see and react when a car is coming. But from behind? They'll pass on the right side of the road, so there should be plenty of clearance.
And I was legit surprised when I moved to Germany, pedestrians here are using the right side.
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If you're in a drive on the left or right side of the road country, that goes for bike and walking paths too. Eg in Australia, keep left on footpaths.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]United States is different, cars and bicycles on the right side, pedestrians on the left side.
Thankfully my city isn't strict about that, as it makes damn near no sense to me, regarding the opposite side laws for people on foot..
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Actually, in Hungary (at least when I was a kid) they thought us, pedestrians, to use the left side, although this was more important when there was no sidewalk. The reason is, drivers might not see pedestrians very well, especially at night, but pedestrians do have a higher chance to see cars, as cars are usually illuminated. The pedestrian is facing forward, so it's easy to see and react when a car is coming. But from behind? They'll pass on the right side of the road, so there should be plenty of clearance.
And I was legit surprised when I moved to Germany, pedestrians here are using the right side.
That's what I was taught for walking country roads with no pavement, sometimes even no shoulder.
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Actually, in Hungary (at least when I was a kid) they thought us, pedestrians, to use the left side, although this was more important when there was no sidewalk. The reason is, drivers might not see pedestrians very well, especially at night, but pedestrians do have a higher chance to see cars, as cars are usually illuminated. The pedestrian is facing forward, so it's easy to see and react when a car is coming. But from behind? They'll pass on the right side of the road, so there should be plenty of clearance.
And I was legit surprised when I moved to Germany, pedestrians here are using the right side.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]America is the same way in that regard. I think what op was saying is when you're on the sidewalk or in a grocery aisle, use the same rules of the road with other pedestrians/bikers.
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Zipper merging.
If your lane is closing ahead, it is better for everyone in traffic if you drive all the way to the end of the lane and cut in at the last moment.
Note that this does not apply to exit lanes. The basic rule is if late merging blocks someone from going somewhere, merge early. Otherwise, merge as late as you can.
I usually try to practice this (or at least make room for others to merge in) but last week the zipper merge took place right where an entrance ramp was also trying to merge creating a 3-way merge clusterfuck. Whoever put up the traffic cones should've been shot. Or... done a better job. All they had to do was complete the first merge before the entrance ramp, but no.
I was lucky enough to have already been in the left-most lane, at least.
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Don't stop in doorways when walking through public places.
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He always puts them in a place where they won't be in the way of other cars, lifts a wheel up onto a curb or something so it won't be blown around by the wind, etc. He is not damaging anyone's property.
Also I've been with him to help him shop several times and never seen anyone offer (and he says he they never offer when he's by himself), so maybe it's different where you live? shrug That sounds pretty great for his situation tho.
If he's putting it up on the curb he's doing the best for his situation and to me that's fine. The damage comes from people leaving them just laying around and then the wind picks up. I have been around the block a few times it's true but in my life I've saved at least 3 people's cars from getting dented by carts I saw flying through the parking lot because of wind.
Does he ask for help? Even if it's not a normal thing at that store, a nice conversation with a store manager can go a long way in my experience. Maybe it's because I live in a neighborhood with a significant amount of older folks (at least that's what it looks like at the grocery store!) but I bet any grocery will do that if you ask.
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You say usually, but I've seen quite a few people (on the internet and off) who like to make blanket statements like 'Anyone who doesn't put the shopping cart back is a shit human being', so it frequently is what is being discussed, and those folks have to be reminded that the world is not as black and white as they'd like to imagine.
Nah man, language is messy and people are lazy. Language is messy meaning people generally don't get so detail oriented and pedantic when someone says an absolute that clearly has some exceptions. People are lazy meaning most people aren't going to care to hash out the specifics of the edge cases that don't fit the generic statement.
Your test seems to be more about how pedantic everyone is, and god I hope Lemmy loses that to reddit...
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You stand on the right side of an escalator/moving walkway. You walk on the left side.
It doesn't matter if you have multiple people or luggage, the right is for standing, the left is for walking.
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Actually, in Hungary (at least when I was a kid) they thought us, pedestrians, to use the left side, although this was more important when there was no sidewalk. The reason is, drivers might not see pedestrians very well, especially at night, but pedestrians do have a higher chance to see cars, as cars are usually illuminated. The pedestrian is facing forward, so it's easy to see and react when a car is coming. But from behind? They'll pass on the right side of the road, so there should be plenty of clearance.
And I was legit surprised when I moved to Germany, pedestrians here are using the right side.
I used to use same rule when riding bike in paved roads with no side walk.
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Nah man, language is messy and people are lazy. Language is messy meaning people generally don't get so detail oriented and pedantic when someone says an absolute that clearly has some exceptions. People are lazy meaning most people aren't going to care to hash out the specifics of the edge cases that don't fit the generic statement.
Your test seems to be more about how pedantic everyone is, and god I hope Lemmy loses that to reddit...
Yeah that was definitely a thing I saw a lot more on reddit than here re:'shit human being', so fair point, I'm with you in hoping that kind of thing doesn't come over here/goes away.
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If he's putting it up on the curb he's doing the best for his situation and to me that's fine. The damage comes from people leaving them just laying around and then the wind picks up. I have been around the block a few times it's true but in my life I've saved at least 3 people's cars from getting dented by carts I saw flying through the parking lot because of wind.
Does he ask for help? Even if it's not a normal thing at that store, a nice conversation with a store manager can go a long way in my experience. Maybe it's because I live in a neighborhood with a significant amount of older folks (at least that's what it looks like at the grocery store!) but I bet any grocery will do that if you ask.
Fair enough. Yeah fuck leaving it out in the middle of everything or where it can roll/be blown away. If my buddy who gets winded walking to the bathroom can manage it so can everyone else. Although I guess to be fair there are more likely to be curbs near the handicap parking than for most other people, though also they have working legs and cart corrals, so..
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I highly doubt you have heard a significant number of people who would genuinely say "disabled people who don't put their carts back are shit people."
The number of people who would unironically say that is such a small edge case that it's not necessary to talk about them when you say things like "everyone knows that disabilities result in different needs and moral responsibilities," just like it's not necessary to mention disability when you generalize and say "people who don't put their carts back are shit people."
Edge cases don't have to be accounted for in every conversation, not everything is a court of law.
This isn't really any more deep than "only a sith deals in absolutes"
Not a significant number, no, but also not zero. No the common refrain is as I said it, with the implication that anyone who doesn't for any reason is a shit human being, and Iono if you know this, but disabled people are part of 'anyone' too. My whole point is that they make blanket statements about a thing that annoys them without realizing that some of those carts are out there for some pretty good reasons actually.
