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  • J [email protected]

    People who think that LLMs having trouble with these questions is evidence one way or another about how good or bad LLMs are just don't understand tokenization. This is not a symptom of some big-picture deep problem with LLMs; it's a curious artifact like in a jpeg image, but doesn't really matter for the vast majority of applications.

    You may hate AI but that doesn't excuse being ignorant about how it works.

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    Also just checked and every open ai model bigger than 4.1-mini can answer this. I think the joke should emphasize how we developed a super power inefficient way to solve some problems that can be accurately and efficiently answered with a single algorithm. Another example is using ChatGPT to do simple calculator math. LLMs are good at specific tasks and really bad at others, but people kinda throw everything at them.

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    • C [email protected]

      Blindsight is such a great novel. It has not one, not two but three great sci-fi concepts rolled into one book.

      One is artificial intelligence (the ship's captain is an AI), the second is alien life so vastly different it appears incomprehensible to human minds. And last but not least, and the most wild, vampires as a evolutionary branch of humanity that died out and has been recreated in the future.

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      My a favorite part of the vampire thing is how they died out. Turns out vampires start seizing when trying to visually process 90° angles, and humans love building shit like that (not to mention a cross is littered with them). It's so mundane an extinction I'd almost believe it.

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      • J [email protected]

        You've missed something about the Chinese Room. The solution to the Chinese Room riddle is that it is not the person in the room but rather the room itself that is communicating with you. The fact that there's a person there is irrelevant, and they could be replaced with a speaker or computer terminal.

        Put differently, it's not an indictment of LLMs that they are merely Chinese Rooms, but rather one should be impressed that the Chinese Room is so capable despite being a completely deterministic machine.

        If one day we discover that the human brain works on much simpler principles than we once thought, would that make humans any less valuable? It should be deeply troubling to us that LLMs can do so much while the mathematics behind them are so simple. Arguments that because LLMs are just scaled-up autocomplete they surely can't be very good at anything are not comforting to me at all.

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        one should be impressed that the Chinese Room is so capable despite being a completely deterministic machine.

        I'd be more impressed if the room could tell me how many "r"s are in Strawberry inside five minutes.

        If one day we discover that the human brain works on much simpler principles

        Human biology, famous for being simple and straightforward.

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        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          No, the logic for a Pac Man ghost is a solid state machine

          Stupid people attributing intelligence to something that is probably not is a shameful hill to die on.

          Your god is just an autocomplete bot that you refuse to learn about outside the hype bubble

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          Okay, what is your definition of AI then, if nothing burned onto silicon can count?

          If LLMs aren't AI, then absolutely nothing up to this point probably counts either.

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            Okay, what is your definition of AI then, if nothing burned onto silicon can count?

            If LLMs aren't AI, then absolutely nothing up to this point probably counts either.

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            since nothing burned into silicon can count

            Oh noo you called me a robot racist. Lol fuck off dude you know that's not what I'm saying

            The problem with supporters of AI is they learned everything they know from the companies trying to sell it to them. Like a 50s mom excited about her magic tupperware.

            AI implies intelligence

            To me that means an autonomous being that understands what it is.

            First of all these programs aren't autonomous, they need to be seeded by us. We send a prompt or question, even when left alone to its own devices it doesn't do anything until it is given an objective or reward by us.

            Looking up the most common answer isn't intelligence, there is no understanding of cause and effect going on inside the algorithm, just regurgitating the dataset

            These models do not reason, though some do a very good job of trying to convince us.

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            • I [email protected]

              Tested on ChatGPT o4-mini-high

              It sent me this

              0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
              0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
              0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
              1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
              0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
              1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
              

              I asked it to remove the spaces

              
              0001111100000000
              0011111111000000
              0011111110000000
              0111111111100000
              0111111111110000
              0011111111100000
              0001111111000000
              0011111100000000
              0111111111100000
              1111111111110000
              1111111111110000
              1111111111110000
              1111111111110000
              0011100111000000
              0111000011100000
              1111000011110000
              

              I guess I just murdered a bunch of trees and killed a random dude with the water it used, but it looks good

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              I just murdered a bunch of trees and killed a random dude with the water it used, but it looks good

              Tech bros: "Worth it!"

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              • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                since nothing burned into silicon can count

                Oh noo you called me a robot racist. Lol fuck off dude you know that's not what I'm saying

                The problem with supporters of AI is they learned everything they know from the companies trying to sell it to them. Like a 50s mom excited about her magic tupperware.

                AI implies intelligence

                To me that means an autonomous being that understands what it is.

                First of all these programs aren't autonomous, they need to be seeded by us. We send a prompt or question, even when left alone to its own devices it doesn't do anything until it is given an objective or reward by us.

                Looking up the most common answer isn't intelligence, there is no understanding of cause and effect going on inside the algorithm, just regurgitating the dataset

                These models do not reason, though some do a very good job of trying to convince us.

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                #138

                you called me a robot racist.

                .....what?

                Looking up the most common answer isn’t intelligence, there is no understanding of cause and effect going on inside the algorithm

                In order for that to be true, the entire dataset would need to be contained within the LLM. Which it is not. If it were, a model wouldn't have to undergo training.

                AI implies intelligence

                You seem to be mistaking 'intelligence' for 'human-like intelligence'. This is not how AI is defined. AI can be dumber than a gnat, but if it's capable of making decisions based on stimulus without each set of stimulus and decision being directly coded into it, then it's AI. It's the difference between what is ACTUALLY called AI, and when a sci-fi show or novel talks about AI.

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                • S [email protected]

                  you called me a robot racist.

                  .....what?

                  Looking up the most common answer isn’t intelligence, there is no understanding of cause and effect going on inside the algorithm

                  In order for that to be true, the entire dataset would need to be contained within the LLM. Which it is not. If it were, a model wouldn't have to undergo training.

                  AI implies intelligence

                  You seem to be mistaking 'intelligence' for 'human-like intelligence'. This is not how AI is defined. AI can be dumber than a gnat, but if it's capable of making decisions based on stimulus without each set of stimulus and decision being directly coded into it, then it's AI. It's the difference between what is ACTUALLY called AI, and when a sci-fi show or novel talks about AI.

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                  #139

                  Yeah I'm not interested in how you put words in my mouth to fit the talking points you were hoping I would fall for

                  We're done here

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                  • xavier666@lemm.eeX [email protected]

                    I just murdered a bunch of trees and killed a random dude with the water it used, but it looks good

                    Tech bros: "Worth it!"

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                    #140

                    It's a pretty big problem, but as long as governments don't do shit then we're pretty much fucked.

                    Either we take the train and contribute to the problem, or we don't but get left behind, and end up being the harmed one.

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                    • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                      Yeah I'm not interested in how you put words in my mouth to fit the talking points you were hoping I would fall for

                      We're done here

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                      #141

                      Erm. I'm trying to clear up what I thought looked like misconceptions you have about AI in regards to real-world applications, but I seem to have come on too strong, and I apologize; I have a tendency to put on a know-it-all attitude and it's something I'm trying to work on.

                      Have a good day, I'll leave you alone now.

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                      • I [email protected]

                        It's a pretty big problem, but as long as governments don't do shit then we're pretty much fucked.

                        Either we take the train and contribute to the problem, or we don't but get left behind, and end up being the harmed one.

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                        but as long as governments don’t do shit then we’re pretty much fucked

                        Story of the last few decades (or centuries since I don't know history too well)

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