Nice one
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"What is the purpose of this meeting and why do I need to be included" is a perfectly polite series of words to use. The wording matters far less than the tone of voice.
I vastly prefer clear and direct questions over the reply that sounds passive aggressive from the very beginning.
I think you underestimate how thin the skin of the professional managerial class is. It's not about the tone of voice it's about the directness and how that's facilitating "conflict".
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You are asking the wrong dude here. I failed at corporate speech, never understood their art of assimilation. It is all about not offending anyone, overstepping, never throwing anyone under the bus, especially higher management, and yet dodging bullets coming your way. It is also the biggest waste of time, usually. Got to give the upper management, the glorified babysitters, something to do.
I honestly can't agree with you more
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I think you underestimate how thin the skin of the professional managerial class is. It's not about the tone of voice it's about the directness and how that's facilitating "conflict".
Don't find that's true at all. Direct language is much preferred to this bullshit.
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I think you underestimate how thin the skin of the professional managerial class is. It's not about the tone of voice it's about the directness and how that's facilitating "conflict".
I do understand and it does not matter how you phrase it for those types of people. Pretending that it could have been said the 'right' way is a waste of time because, as you said, they consider even asking to be facilitating conflict.
There are also good managers out there, they just aren't as memorable as the ones who make everything into drama. The good ones also tend to be driven to other jobs because of the jerk managers...
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I used to work at this company where like 3 guys took care of basically everything. All but one of them, let's call him Rob, eventually left to better companies. About a month after that, my team had to deal with a pretty big issue and we were having trouble coming up with a solution so this idiot had the brilliant idea to page Rob. As if the poor guy hadn't spent the last month doing the job of 3 people who were already doing the job of a 5 people each. Rob got online, said "Why did you page me?" and immediately left before getting a response. I liked Rob.
lol classic Rob!
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But we all know she's not looking forward to reading the recap, and probably won't.
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Such corpo bullshit, do it the Scandinavian way, I don't think this meeting is for me, have a good meeting though. Done and done
Don't you want to empower the business and yourself by attending the meetings here? Why complicate the process by excluding yourself from the conversation.
Even saying that made me feel sick.
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Sometimes it's "because you'll be paid for your time and your boss wants you on the call".
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Are you paid by how much work you get done or by the hour?
paid by the hour, fired for not getting the work done
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Yeah be sure to say you won’t be a value-add. That’s a great way to not get laid off.
If you don’t know what’s going on, but they make you go to the meeting, just go to the meeting and stfu.
If you do know what’s going on, and they make you go to the meeting, and it’s a bullshit meeting, then you can tell them to fuck off.
Something something avocado toast. Get off my lawn.
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I go to meetings so I don't have to work
It’s meetings all the way down. And if they make you watch training videos…
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Problem is, that the work is still there after the meeting
See, now you’re talking hourly versus salary. That’s why if the meeting is bullshit, I peace out.
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Correct. If we stop using buzzwords, then we will have to start asking ourselves what we are actually doing here
I'm aligned with your perspective, and I appreciate the clarity you've brought to this facet of the conversation. From a tactical standpoint, I want to loop in the stakeholders to ensure they are also in sync with the continued usage of buzzwords.
If you run into any blockers, please circle back.
Cheers!
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you want me on the call, I'm there.
don't complain when I don't deliver on goals though.
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Talk to your manager.
Shortly after I was hired, my manager told me I should feel free to decline any meeting that didn't seem useful, or that if it was preventing me from getting "real" work done.
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I usually join the meeting and start asking a lots of questions and clarifications because I don't know what the stuff is about. After that, the amount of useless meeting requests drops like a rock.
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I'm aligned with your perspective, and I appreciate the clarity you've brought to this facet of the conversation. From a tactical standpoint, I want to loop in the stakeholders to ensure they are also in sync with the continued usage of buzzwords.
If you run into any blockers, please circle back.
Cheers!
I will hunt you for sport.
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I'm not that good of an actor to be able to lie like that and keep a straight face.
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I go to meetings so I don't have to work
I'm going to need to pull you into a meeting real quick so we can discuss this attitude.
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I will hunt you for sport.
A service to humanity, really
