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    I think they don't know how taxes work. Taxes are paid on income and realized capital gains. He's not renting venice from his Amazon stock...

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    Billionaires go so far as to ask donations to charities from their service customers so they can pay less taxes. They are effectively making themselves richer, common folk poorer and calling it altruism because some charities get money from average income people rather than billionaires.

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    • D [email protected]

      I think they don't know how taxes work. Taxes are paid on income and realized capital gains. He's not renting venice from his Amazon stock...

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      You know that income tax and capital gains tax are not the only kinds of tax, right?

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      • B [email protected]

        Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

        More informations and pictures here:

        https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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        I don't get it, what's to stop people photobombing his wedding with lots and lots of annoying drones

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        • luouth@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

          A sphinx cat has more sex appeal that this slimy lizard motherfucker

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          true

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          • B [email protected]

            Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

            More informations and pictures here:

            https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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            I can’t think of a moment in human history aside from now that a man can gather that much wealth, and piss of that many people and still keep his head. Most states would have taken his fortune by now.
            Hell even Crassus got his, and was rumoured to have had molten gold poured down his throat for his greed

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            • B [email protected]

              Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

              More informations and pictures here:

              https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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              Checked Reddit and Fb, thousands of bots booing Greenpeace and defending Amazon.

              It seems that picture got its results.

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              • B [email protected]

                Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

                More informations and pictures here:

                https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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                Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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                • threeduck@aussie.zoneT [email protected]

                  true

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                  Camel by Camel (Instrumental version)

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                  • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                    Billionaires go so far as to ask donations to charities from their service customers so they can pay less taxes. They are effectively making themselves richer, common folk poorer and calling it altruism because some charities get money from average income people rather than billionaires.

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                    This is a common misconception. If a person or corporation takes money for charity, like rounding up for bill at point of sale, that entity doesn't get to write that off taxes. They can claim publicity for raising money for charity, but they didn't get any direct financial windfall. They would only get something if they were to say, match the donation contribution.

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                    • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                      I don't get it, what's to stop people photobombing his wedding with lots and lots of annoying drones

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                      His private security

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                      • D [email protected]

                        Venice? Wow, that's actually kind of on-the-nose for a show of excessive wealth.

                        https://historywalksvenice.com/article/early-venice/why-did-venice-get-rich/

                        TL;DR: Venice exists in its current form (canal city on an ever sinking atoll) not because of climate change, and not because of some fishing village put their backs into it for hundreds of years, but because of money. LOTS, and lots of money from a shipping/trade boom a very long time ago.

                        The fact that Bezos built his obscene wealth on shipping and international commerce, just makes this even more appropriate in a gross kind of way. Like he's deliberately connecting himself to Venice's history, and everything that implies.

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                        Shipping of enslaved peoples even

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                        • M [email protected]

                          His private security

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                          who control the air?

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                          • B [email protected]

                            This is a common misconception. If a person or corporation takes money for charity, like rounding up for bill at point of sale, that entity doesn't get to write that off taxes. They can claim publicity for raising money for charity, but they didn't get any direct financial windfall. They would only get something if they were to say, match the donation contribution.

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                            Here is the kicker though;
                            Often the entity in question will OWN the charity they are donating to.

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                            • threeduck@aussie.zoneT [email protected]

                              true

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                              Oh dear gods, not again!

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                              • D [email protected]

                                I think they don't know how taxes work. Taxes are paid on income and realized capital gains. He's not renting venice from his Amazon stock...

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                                I'm not exactly sure what you think the specific ask is...

                                It's very general, somehow he has the funds to have a maddeningly extravagant wedding, so he can afford to have a tax burden...

                                It's vague and doesn't invite debate over the nature and nuance of his wealth, only that he can somehow pull off a celebration no reasonable person could dream of, including closing off a whole crap ton of Venice to general public use for a whole week. That's a whole lot of spend that he can casually brush off indicating that in real terms he's got unreasonable levels of wealth.

                                It's not getting down in the details about unrealized gains and leveraging said gains through loopholes and the discussion about what taxable burden might should be associated with unrealized gains of that magnitude, it's showing a clear example of "he has extravagant financial power, without as high relatively of a financial burden".

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                                • D [email protected]

                                  Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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                                  Minimum tax that they can never go below. Start penalizing tax havens like Ireland.

                                  There are already inheritance taxes but they should have caps on them since they hit intergenerational wealth and social mobility for lower and middle classes far more than the upper.

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                                  • D [email protected]

                                    Venice? Wow, that's actually kind of on-the-nose for a show of excessive wealth.

                                    https://historywalksvenice.com/article/early-venice/why-did-venice-get-rich/

                                    TL;DR: Venice exists in its current form (canal city on an ever sinking atoll) not because of climate change, and not because of some fishing village put their backs into it for hundreds of years, but because of money. LOTS, and lots of money from a shipping/trade boom a very long time ago.

                                    The fact that Bezos built his obscene wealth on shipping and international commerce, just makes this even more appropriate in a gross kind of way. Like he's deliberately connecting himself to Venice's history, and everything that implies.

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                                    Talk about a gross oversimplification. Venice grew out of mosquito infested lagoon due to necessity. The Venetian people were driven into the lagoon multiple times over centuries as a means of protection from Germanic invasions in the 7th century. They capitalized on shipping and trade just like any other population would do and used those riches to make their citizens lives better. What would you have expected them to do? Turn away from the money spice trading and Mediterranean shipping traffic brought them because it would make them too rich? Because again, they were a people used to fleeing into a mosquito infested lagoon when their farming population was invaded by multiple armies.

                                    For that reason, comparing an entire cultural population like Venice to a singular person is a false equivalency. Bezos hasn't used his shipping fortune to enrich anyone but himself, but at least Venetian royalty built buildings and public spaces for their population.

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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                                      The problem is they have found it cheaper to buy ALL politicians than it is to actually pay tax. It only leaves a few options left....

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                                      • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                                        I don't get it, what's to stop people photobombing his wedding with lots and lots of annoying drones

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                                        drone laws requiring an operator license and drones to broadcast a unique id traceable back to it's operator.

                                        and if you patch the drone firmware or build one yourself, it's still trackable via radio signal triangulation to the controller's position.

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                                        • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.deI [email protected]

                                          drone laws requiring an operator license and drones to broadcast a unique id traceable back to it's operator.

                                          and if you patch the drone firmware or build one yourself, it's still trackable via radio signal triangulation to the controller's position.

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                                          You can fly the drone without a license in secret, and the law only requires that you scribble the ID somewhere on the craft -- something you do not need to do if flying for clandestine purposes.

                                          Not all drone's fly via radio, many use direct WiFi connections which can be completely spoofed over 3G proxies so that the drone and operator aren't in direct contact with one another

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