Good Rhino
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Vegan joke. Lots of antivegan especially gym rat bros say it's impossible to get enough protein to build proper muscle on a vegan diet.
The joke here is a much larger and more muscular herbivore is being asked about it by a carnivore.
Not impossible but damn near without resorting to hyper processed foods. Rinos can digest fibrous foods in ways humans can’t
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I wanted to post it there, but the rules explicitly state that one must be vegan to participate.
You can just decide to be vegan before posting and change your mind after. As long as you avoid animal products in that window, you'll be fine.
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Not impossible but damn near without resorting to hyper processed foods. Rinos can digest fibrous foods in ways humans can’t
Beans, edamame, lentils...
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Beans, edamame, lentils...
How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
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How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
Are you eating a pound and a half of chicken a day? Most people building extra protein and consuming 100+ grams of protein are probably supplementing their protein intake.
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How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
Yeah, something like 1.5-2g of protein per kg of body weight feels impossible on a vegan diet. I'd be eating nothing but beans all day.
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How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Thats kind if a ridivulous amount especially if you're getting all the surrohnding nutrition you need to build it properly.
But if you really need that much, the omnivore is already eating chivken+rice unseasoned 10x/day. Gallon of soybeans is reasonable, relatively.
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Are you eating a pound and a half of chicken a day? Most people building extra protein and consuming 100+ grams of protein are probably supplementing their protein intake.
I was going to retort but it is a fair point. I have reached more than 100g on whole foods but on most days I do rely on supplementation. Especially during a cut.
FYI just in case I have nothing against vegan bodybuilding or vegans in general. Mad respect for people who actually manage to successfully do it as I can’t imagine it being easy. I actually use vegan protein myself because it’s cheaper (tastes terrible though).
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I wanted to post it there, but the rules explicitly state that one must be vegan to participate.
Nobody knows I'm a veganian
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You can just decide to be vegan before posting and change your mind after. As long as you avoid animal products in that window, you'll be fine.
Then they will go through your comment history and find that you posted about eating a tuna salad sandwich at a picnic one time in 1986. Then some people will take that as an invitation to follow you around and downvote you and harass you and get mods to ban you from other entirely unrelated communities. Soon there will be an SRS equivalent here. SLS?
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I was going to retort but it is a fair point. I have reached more than 100g on whole foods but on most days I do rely on supplementation. Especially during a cut.
FYI just in case I have nothing against vegan bodybuilding or vegans in general. Mad respect for people who actually manage to successfully do it as I can’t imagine it being easy. I actually use vegan protein myself because it’s cheaper (tastes terrible though).
I appreciate the response. There definitely are challenges on a vegan diet for sure, just like with every diet. Although I think all protein powders and supplements taste bad.
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Nobody knows I'm a veganian
From planet Vegani?
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How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
100g of beef (15% fat) has about 26 grams of protein.
Per 100 g, hemp seeds contain more than 30 g of protein.
Cooked edamame has like 11.
So yeah, there's honestly no reason to think you can't get enough protein as a vegan. However in this meme there's quite a difference, the rhino isn't eating hemp seeds. The catch for him is he needs to eat a lot and all the time. Just like cows.
But humans don't, because you don't need to get all your protein from grass and hay.
Am not a vegan myself though
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30 years of constant eating and many accidental bugs ingested.
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100g of beef (15% fat) has about 26 grams of protein.
Per 100 g, hemp seeds contain more than 30 g of protein.
Cooked edamame has like 11.
So yeah, there's honestly no reason to think you can't get enough protein as a vegan. However in this meme there's quite a difference, the rhino isn't eating hemp seeds. The catch for him is he needs to eat a lot and all the time. Just like cows.
But humans don't, because you don't need to get all your protein from grass and hay.
Am not a vegan myself though
These calculations always ignore bioavailability rates.
This and iron are the most miscalculated (though at least iron can be raised via adding acids before consumption).
You'll get about 75% of those 26g from beef, only about 20% from the hemp seeds (much higher if hulled and ground).
Really though, vegetarians get the most protein the most easily, since both whey and eggs are over 90% absorbed.
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These calculations always ignore bioavailability rates.
This and iron are the most miscalculated (though at least iron can be raised via adding acids before consumption).
You'll get about 75% of those 26g from beef, only about 20% from the hemp seeds (much higher if hulled and ground).
Really though, vegetarians get the most protein the most easily, since both whey and eggs are over 90% absorbed.
You'll get that 75%... if you cook the beef. And if you're just gulping down large raw chunks, even less.
You know what you can also do with hemp seeds?
Cook them.
Or just mill it into flour and then use for whatever. The resulting flour will be >33% protein.
Hemp flour has good protein bioavailability, with ground hemp seed protein showing digestibility of 91–98%.
But even so, your original "you'll get about 20% of that" is just not right.
The results showed that the whole hemp seed presented 24% of proteins with an 84.1%−86.2% of digestibility, the dehulled hemp seed showed 35.9% of proteins and 83.5%−92.1% of digestibility, while the hemp seed meal contained 40.7 % of proteins with 90.8%−97.5% of digestibility.
Whole hemp seeds are about 24% protein and ~85% bioavailability
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.1039180/full
Idk where you're inventing your figures from
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You can just decide to be vegan before posting and change your mind after. As long as you avoid animal products in that window, you'll be fine.
but OP used a pic of animals. clearly not a vegan pic.
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You'll get that 75%... if you cook the beef. And if you're just gulping down large raw chunks, even less.
You know what you can also do with hemp seeds?
Cook them.
Or just mill it into flour and then use for whatever. The resulting flour will be >33% protein.
Hemp flour has good protein bioavailability, with ground hemp seed protein showing digestibility of 91–98%.
But even so, your original "you'll get about 20% of that" is just not right.
The results showed that the whole hemp seed presented 24% of proteins with an 84.1%−86.2% of digestibility, the dehulled hemp seed showed 35.9% of proteins and 83.5%−92.1% of digestibility, while the hemp seed meal contained 40.7 % of proteins with 90.8%−97.5% of digestibility.
Whole hemp seeds are about 24% protein and ~85% bioavailability
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.1039180/full
Idk where you're inventing your figures from
Cool, so you... Just proved what I said? Congrats.
You didn't originally mention hemp flour, but you're right, I confused protein completeness with how much is absorbed.
However, you reminded me of another issue with vegetable proteins - protein completeness. Even though raw beef would drop absorption to around 50%, you'd get everything you need.
With vegetable proteins, you need to have variety and in higher amounts to make sure you get everything.
And I've only used beef as an example for meat because you did. Fish is much higher, and also complete. A few cubes of raw salmon are easier to eat than a mixture of different vegetables in terms of quantity.
But either way, none of that negates my final point: that vegetarianism would be the best option in terms of body building, because eggs have the highest absorption and are protein complete. Literally a single egg can meet the daily requirement, with the rest being staples for calories and fruits/vegetables for vitamins. For body building, a couple eggs will give plenty of protein.
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Cool, so you... Just proved what I said? Congrats.
You didn't originally mention hemp flour, but you're right, I confused protein completeness with how much is absorbed.
However, you reminded me of another issue with vegetable proteins - protein completeness. Even though raw beef would drop absorption to around 50%, you'd get everything you need.
With vegetable proteins, you need to have variety and in higher amounts to make sure you get everything.
And I've only used beef as an example for meat because you did. Fish is much higher, and also complete. A few cubes of raw salmon are easier to eat than a mixture of different vegetables in terms of quantity.
But either way, none of that negates my final point: that vegetarianism would be the best option in terms of body building, because eggs have the highest absorption and are protein complete. Literally a single egg can meet the daily requirement, with the rest being staples for calories and fruits/vegetables for vitamins. For body building, a couple eggs will give plenty of protein.
"You'll only get about 20% bioavailability from hemp seeds".
I showed you that's incorrect, by some 60% at least.
And I also didn't mention whether the beef if minced or cooked.
However, you reminded me of another issue with vegetable proteins - protein completeness
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Come up with that yourself, once again?
Hemp protein has a balanced amino acid profile. All nine essential amino acids are contained in hemp protein (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, valine).
Again. I'm not a vegan, nor am I taking any sort of political stance here.
I'm just pointing out how ridiculously archaic the rhetoric is they you can't get get swole with vegan protein.
For body building hemp flour/powder is just as good if not better than chugging eggs. Depends on other factors of any given person's diet though.
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Not impossible but damn near without resorting to hyper processed foods. Rinos can digest fibrous foods in ways humans can’t
Plenty of top endurance athletes are vegan. For one, runner Scott Jurek, seven time winner of 100-mile Western States week.
Personally, this week I biked 152 miles and placed in my age group in a 5k running race. I eat plant-based but don’t count protein grams. My take is that I eat about twice as much to cover my calorie expenditures, so I get twice as much protein. It doesn’t have to be hard.
