Is It Just Me?
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Luckily, defending Tesla and AI are now personality trait, wrong or indifferent.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I didn't defend anybody or anything. Generally I agree, but I don't need to post about it when every third post on Lemmy is the same old shit with the whole comment section clapping and shaking hands.
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I don't think it's just you. Like it wasn't just one person thinking computers would make us dumb or the automobile making us lazy. I'm betting that someone somewhere thought that cooking food on the fire would make us weaker.
Technology has that ability to generate opposition from status quo.
And as with any technology, there are good uses, bad uses and frivolous uses.
Remember the awful nonsense web pages of the early 90's?
I think AI will make the life's of some of us easier. But I also think it will continue widening the digital divide.
The biggest concern is that, by nature, AI needs massive amounts of power which can only be paid by people with big resources and those people are training it. AI has the trainer's bias.
However, end consumer AI is the tip of the iceberg. AI will succeed when we don't even realize it's there.
Good points, but I think the anti-AI position is not an anti-technology position.
I think the people assuming it is are naïve. It's an anti-hype position. We've seen bullshit waves before, but nothing like this tsunami. When previous bullshit waves broke, there wasn't so much destruction we couldn't recover.
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Probably how people felt who were against the development of the printing press or internet.
Its a good tool. Often used wrong but a good tool if used right and with humans actually checking and fixing the results.
It shouldnt replace art too much though since that is something people actually enjoy.wrote last edited by [email protected]Reminder that Lemmy population is older, this feeling is normal. When I was in school I notice kids in school are more likely excited for new things, while teachers usually cling on to the past, their memories, for the sense of nostalgia, even the liberal-leaning teachers (well they don't announce their politics because that would be very unprofessional, but they use progressive language when teaching and respect pronouns so they are probably liberal) are kinda reluctant when it comes to new tech, I see this divide even amonst teachers themselves, the older the teachers are, the more likely they prefer paper textbooks, while the younger ones tend to incorporate more tech (like internet research during class) into their teachings.
Edit: But I want to add that, I think this "AI" thing is gonna be a bit more different, since printing press, radio, and internet merely change the medium of the transfer of information, while "AI" is also gonna remove much of the "human" aspects of dissemination of information, so it can the potential to cause more harm compared to, say, the internet.
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I totally appreciate that. ML, imo, is not "AI" as advertised. Go you.
Thanks!
The mere association has drawn a ton of hate though, like a ban on Reddit subs. I think Lemmy's population is more aware of the distinction due to the obvious interest in self-hosted stuff.
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Probably how people felt who were against the development of the printing press or internet.
Its a good tool. Often used wrong but a good tool if used right and with humans actually checking and fixing the results.
It shouldnt replace art too much though since that is something people actually enjoy.Probably how people felt who were against the development of the printing press or internet.
No. No, it's such a weird take. No.
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Thanks!
The mere association has drawn a ton of hate though, like a ban on Reddit subs. I think Lemmy's population is more aware of the distinction due to the obvious interest in self-hosted stuff.
Doesn't surprise me. I think if OpenAI or any of the usual suspects stuck to the data aspects and didn't blanket the globe in gen-AI bullshit this situation would be much, much better. But then, they wouldn't make nearly as much money. Which, after all, is the only thing really driving the insanity.
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Everytime someone talks up AI, I point out that you need to be a subject matter expert in the topic to trust it because it frequently produces really, really convincing summaries that are complete and utter bullshit.
And people agree with me implicitly and tell me they've seen the same. But then don't hesitate to turn to AI on subjects they aren't experts in for "quick answers". These are not stupid people either. I just don't understand.
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I didn't defend anybody or anything. Generally I agree, but I don't need to post about it when every third post on Lemmy is the same old shit with the whole comment section clapping and shaking hands.
So your comment isn't about AI at all, but rather the "bubble" mentality of online discussion spaces?
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The reason AI is wrong so often is because it's not programmed to give you the right answer. It's programmed to give you the most pervasive one.
LLMs are being fed by Reddit and other forums that are ostensibly about humans giving other humans answers to questions.
But have you been on those forums? It's a dozen different answers for every question. The reality is that we average humans don't know shit and we're just basing our answers on our own experiences. We aren't experts. We're not necessarily dumb, but unless we've studied, our knowledge is entirely anecdotal, and we all go into forums to help others with a similar problem by sharing our answer to it.
So the LLM takes all of that data and in essence thinks that the most popular, most mentioned, most upvoted answer to any given question must be the de facto correct one. It literally has no other way to judge; it's not smart enough to cross reference itself or look up sources.
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Why not write this with pen and paper?
It trains your brain even more than typing, it is impossible to be used to train any AI, it uses no electricity compared to the massive amounts a computer uses, and I don't have to read your dumb takes.
Seriously, I know corporate bullshit are using AI to do dumb things. But it is a fascinating technology that can do a lot of neat things if applied correctly.
Stop claiming like AI shit in your shoes and fucked your grandma. It isn't going to burst and go away.
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The post isn’t about locally hosted models amigo.
It's about LLMs.
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A lot of people also mix generative AI with predictive. Like they will mention the hurricane predictor or cancer cell finder AI as a "good use case for chatgpt."
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Everytime someone talks up AI, I point out that you need to be a subject matter expert in the topic to trust it because it frequently produces really, really convincing summaries that are complete and utter bullshit.
And people agree with me implicitly and tell me they've seen the same. But then don't hesitate to turn to AI on subjects they aren't experts in for "quick answers". These are not stupid people either. I just don't understand.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because the alternative for me is googling the question with "reddit" added at the end half of the time. I still do that alot. For more complicated or serious problems/questions, I've set it to only use search function and navigate scientific sites like ncbi and pubmed while utilizing deep think. It then gives me the sources, I randomly tend to cross-check the relevant information, but so far I personally haven't noticed any errors. You gotta realize how much time this saves.
When it comes to data privacy, I honestly don't see the potential dangers in the data I submit to OpenAI, but this is of course different to everyone else. I don't submit any personal info or talk about my life. It's a tool.
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That’s a bit of a false analogy because radio never threatened to take away millions of people’s livelihoods.
A more apt comparison would be the actual Luddites during the Industrial Revolution who smashed machines because massive amounts of people were being turned off the land and their traditional economic activities were unable to compete with machine based production.
People don’t just hate AI because it’s new, they hate it because it will condemn millions of people to poverty while making a handful of rich people even more rich.
Radio destroyed a lot of jobs for musicians. Before radio, there was only live music. With radio, a single professional orchestra or big band could supply the music for everyone with a receiver. Recordings came later and destroyed more jobs. Before "talkies", cinemas had live music. Musicians did protest against such new technologies.
People don’t just hate AI because it’s new, they hate it because it will condemn millions of people to poverty while making a handful of rich people even more rich.
Then why aren't people talking about unemployment benefits, industrial retraining, and such things?
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My pet peeve: "here's what ChatGPT said..."
No.
Stop.
If I'd wanted to know what the Large Lying Machine said, I would've asked it.
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Normally I would agree, but Twitter and Discord are the sole exceptions. The original sources can get hit by meteors for all I care. No... I hope their datacenters do get hit, with no one in them of course.
It is silly that people think not posting text can somehow stop LLM crawlers.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It is silly that people think not posting text can somehow stop LLM crawlers.
Agreed.
Not linking to source though, because you hate the hosting platform is petty vindictiveness that does more to hurt the uninvolved on accessibility & usability than do much against the platform.
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There's a monster in the forest, and it speaks with a thousand voices. It will answer any question, and offer insight to any idea. It knows no right or wrong. It knows not truth from lie, but speaks them both the same. It offers its services freely, many find great value. But those who know the forest well will tell you that freely offered does not mean free of cost. For now the monster speaks with a thousand and one voices, and when you see the monster it wears your face.
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being anti-plastic is making me feel like i'm going insane. "you asked for a coffee to go and i grabbed a disposable cup." studies have proven its making people dumber. "i threw your leftovers in some cling film." its made from fossil fuels and leaves trash everywhere we look. "ill grab a bag at the register." it chokes rivers and beaches and then we act surprised. "ill print a cute label and call it recyclable." its spreading greenwashed nonsense. little arrows on stuff that still ends up in the landfill. "dont worry, it says compostable." only at some industrial facility youll never see. "i was unboxing a package" theres no way to verify where any of this ends up. burned, buried, or floating in the ocean. "the brand says advanced recycling." my work has an entire sustainability team and we still stock pallets of plastic water bottles and shrink wrapped everything. plastic cutlery. plastic wrap. bubble mailers. zip ties. everyone treats it as a novelty. every treats it as a mandatory part of life. am i the only one who sees it? am i paranoid? am i going insane? jesus fucking christ. if i have to hear one more "well at least" "but its convenient" "but you can" im about to lose it. i shouldnt have to jump through hoops to avoid the disposable default. have you no principles? no goddamn spine? am i the weird one here?
#ebb rambles #vent #i think #fuck plastics
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So hating the AI hypenukes is 'old man yelling at cloud' but only being allowed to grab images of text is "people" making the web worse? Point made with an image of minimal text? from lemmynsfw?
Well goddamn.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Point made with an image of minimal text? from lemmynsfw?
Did you notice the alt text?
Here's the markdownWhen that image breaks, the alt text & a broken image icon renders in its place, so readers will still understand the message.
People using accessibility technology (like screenreaders) can now understand the image.
Search engines can find the image by the alt text.I think griping over inaccessible text & lack of link to real text is more compelling, because it's a direct choice of the author: it directly impacts the user, the complaint goes directly to the author impacting the user, the author has direct control over it & can choose to fix it at any time.
There's a good chance of an immediate remedy.Griping over AI, however, adds little that isn't posted frequently around here & is a bit like yelling at clouds: we aren't about to stop that technology by yelling about it on here.
I'm sure it feels good, though.
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Radio destroyed a lot of jobs for musicians. Before radio, there was only live music. With radio, a single professional orchestra or big band could supply the music for everyone with a receiver. Recordings came later and destroyed more jobs. Before "talkies", cinemas had live music. Musicians did protest against such new technologies.
People don’t just hate AI because it’s new, they hate it because it will condemn millions of people to poverty while making a handful of rich people even more rich.
Then why aren't people talking about unemployment benefits, industrial retraining, and such things?
You’re right, every new technology displaces some jobs, but AI is on a vastly larger scale (as was industrial production technology).
As to your last question, it’s because the people controlling the narrative don’t want to pay for unemployment benefits, industrial retraining, or anything else that doesn’t immediately make them more money.
