Too soon?
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I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend
Well he was Charlie Kirk, so it might have been nice for his kids to see
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You guys donāt understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. Iām so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. Thatās what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I canāt stand reading this shit anymore. I really canāt.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
Iāve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. Iām half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Yāall want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, Iād be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, thatās what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You canāt kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. Iām so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. Thatās what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Did we win completely in 1945?
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I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
We shouldn't use people's medical records to Minority Report them
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Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...
This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this
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I actually looked up that meme template before making this, but then I realized that's not Charlie Kirk. It's another, though at least alive, conservative commentator Steven Crowder. Who, I imagine, is probably questioning his career choices today.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Kirk was under a "change my mind" banner as he said his last words "gang violence"
He's also espoused that we have to accept a certain amount of deaths so we can keep the 2nd amendment.
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Now finish the quote
I think all of his quotes are finished, now.
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
wrote on last edited by [email protected]violent rhetoric of the left?
as far as Ive seen the left mostly talks about taxing the wealthy and universal health care while the right focuses on removing women's, trans rights and jailing immigrants.
let's not forget that Kyle Rittenhouse was openly celebrated at a Republican convention essentially for killing a black protester.
do you have examples of this violent rhetoric?
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Iām getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this āno one should be killed for their political beliefsā take going around.
He wasnāt killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isnāt a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
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His face seems larger in this pic than usual
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Didn't he say gun violence is unfortunate cost just so people can own a gun to protect from the boogie man? I'd say live by the gun, die by the gun. He got his honorable death or something so you should be happy.
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Ahh a "good christian man" he was anything but. Why do all of the "good christians" go against everything Jesus taught? Why do they only use his name to oppress others? A true christian would welcome and accept those that are different not try and belittle and shame them for their differences.
Begone CHUD.
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The celebration around this is similar to how gazans danced on the streets on October 8.
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have empathy for his children, who didn't ask to be born into this
and uh I guess that's about it
He did say kids should see public executions.
"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" -Kirk
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
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Great foreshadowing too.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
āDo you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?ā an audience member asked. Kirk responded, āToo many.ā
The questioner followed up: āDo you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?ā
āCounting or not counting gang violence?ā Kirk asked.
Then a single shot rang out.
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
If this is a movie plot, critic would say this is just too cliche.
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i mean hes right. shoulda just been on the right side of history
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They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas. In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them. They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights, which specifically states that the right to free speech transcends government. The government that they wanted could only exist if people could freely exchange ideas without fear of being murdered (or imprisoned) for them. That's why its a particularly bad example.
They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas
Of course itās morally superior to kill a conscript (the British army was largely comprised of conscripts) than it is to kill a propagandist who advocates for political violence. /s
In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them.
Utter rubbish. The war was instigated over matters of taxation and trade.
They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights
It was so important that it was left out of the Constitution and had to be submitted as a bill to amend the Constitution.
Hardly sounds like the defining cause of the rebellion if they forgot to put it in their foundational document the first time around.
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See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
It's a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It's fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain't wasting a caring thought on him.
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Iām getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this āno one should be killed for their political beliefsā take going around.
He wasnāt killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isnāt a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
Well said. Claiming he simply died for his political beliefs is highly reductive and disingenuous.
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It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
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His face seems larger in this pic than usual
Well he had more blood flowing in this photo
