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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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    how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"

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    • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

      Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.

      They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it's practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.

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      yeah, this is 1000% deliberate manufacturing consent

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        I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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        If you're willing to pay money then Kagi is a great alternative. They claim they don't collect or share your data. Though, Kagi isn't very good for local search results and probably never will be.

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        • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]
          • Working class: retirement vegan
          • American: healthcare vegan
          • German: humour vegan

          My god, it's unstoppable

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          I love your profile image. I should reread Rice Boy.

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            I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

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            you aren't artificial tho lol

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              I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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              https://udm14.com/

              You can also get a search extension in firefox (probably others as well but I haven't looked)

              It essentially strips the bullshit out and just shows you search results.

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                I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                Duck duck go

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                  Duck duck go

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                  Unfortunately, it's not better and also shows slop

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                    Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

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                    AI doesn't exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.

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                      Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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                      But it makes people come off as extremely annoying.
                      So that's working.

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                        AI doesn't exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.

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                        You're using a lot of very loosely defined terms with a lot of certainty. Machine learning is AI, we just usually apply it to the more simple versions of it. Where do you personally draw the line? I fully understand the plethora of risks, downsides, and injustices that can potentially be involved in the matter, but I legitimately don't understand the extremist level hatred that some people express to anything that could hold the title of AI. To me, it parallels with someone saying that they hate ionizing radiation. Frequently, it's also bad, and your entirely reasonable to try and avoid it on a daily basis, but it also has many uses that are beneficial and life-saving.

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                          Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

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                          Yes, I am also frequently accosted by Google's data analysis of massive sets for scientific research. I can't tell you how many times they've forcefully inserted research analysis of large data sets into my search results.

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                            Unfortunately, it's not better and also shows slop

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                            You can at least turn off its built-in summaries. But some filtering to detect AI generated articles would be nice.

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                              Effectively I believe we are. During my MFA I realized we were simply copying as a form of craft. It's all we do in arts. Any great work feels like just one continuous story retold again and again.

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                              This is deeply cynical.

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                                Unfortunately, it's not better and also shows slop

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                                I’ve been using DuckDuckGo for over a decade, the results are fine, and !bangs are extremely useful for piping queries directly to specific sites, !w for wikipedia, !aw for archwiki, etc. The Duck.ai function is a recent addition, and it can be easily disabled if you don’t want it. By default it doesn’t usually pop up by itself. You can also use lite.duckduckgo.com for a much leaner search and absolutely no AI.

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                                  I hate this timeline

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                                    how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"

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                                    They are "journalism vegans". They are choosing to abstain from actual journalism for clickbaiting, herd mentality, and personal lack of skill reasons.

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                                    • deceptichum@quokk.auD [email protected]

                                      Get out of here with your nuanced take. This is Lemmy, we hate AI it uses up 1bazinga gigalitres of water each time you look at it.

                                      Now excuse me while I go play some video games and search Google, those things use zero electricity.

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                                      I sense jealousy in this one.

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                                        They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.

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                                        Maybe we should be more like the luddites, starting with data centers.

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                                          you aren't artificial tho lol

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                                          [citation needed]

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