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  • W [email protected]

    dpkg -L package-name

    Or the inverse

    dpkg -S /usr/bin/somefile

    For apt based distros, obviously.

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    #206

    This does not return all "config files and install paths" as it only ever considers files that came in the package, not files created by the package (such as /etc/samba.smb.conf, which is created during installation), so doesn't actually solve the problem.

    That limitation should've been made clear in the advice itself so as not to send users that don't know better down dead ends, though the subsequent discussion between this and the previous user is a great illustration of how the way some give Linux "advice" just ends up frustrating those seeking advice.

    (It even eventually frustrated me because over the years I've had to teach plenty of junior developers to not give advice like that, only they're seldom so bad that they insist they actually know what the other person wants even in the face of a user providing proof that they do not)

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    • Q [email protected]

      This is a good argument for shipping an empty config file.

      Your point stands, but this also isn't completely unintuitive. There is pattern there: you installed samba and the config is in /etc/samba/. System level installs will almost always install their config in /etc/ and the sub directory will typically match the name somewhat.

      There is likely a general thought that if you're going to administer a samba server, you'll also be comfortable with conventions and man pages. Although, funnily enough, in the particular case of samba, man smb.conf doesn't show the path lol

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      That's the thing though, when you install Samba it does create an empty config file at \etc\samba\smb.conf, or at least I've never created one

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        dont forget on some phones OS, you can actually pick and choose the download location. After you downloaded though, the files arent there....

        Had to question my sanity many times....

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          That's the thing though, when you install Samba it does create an empty config file at \etc\samba\smb.conf, or at least I've never created one

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          #209

          I see why it does this now. Debian does

          CONFIG=/etc/samba/smb.conf
          # stuff
          ucf --three-way --debconf-ok /usr/share/samba/smb.conf "$CONFIG"
          

          in the postinit inside the .deb file to create the /etc/samba/smb.conf file. They do it this way so they don't nuke an already created file. I take back that they should be shipping an empty file, this way is better, but it also means you'll never be able to query it without some changes to the packaging tools.

          The man page should mention the path though that's a bit lame.

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          • L [email protected]

            You said you wanted to be able to do that. I'm saying you can.

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            Tell me you can't read without actually saying that

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              How is you not even aware of what a file system is LMAO 🤣

              I swear to God, how is it possible that people who can access the fediverse have such trouble finding a download folder.

              It's like their brains fold instantly at the thought of searching through it.

              "Hurr durr, where file"

              In the downloads folder

              My brother in Christ, please open the fucking file explorer

              This is you, it's how you look like:

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                Tell me you can't read without actually saying that

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                #212

                Someone asked what the hell you want to do. You said what you wanted to do, I'm telling you that you can. Where are you confused at?

                Be an ignorant ass all you want, you just look stupid. Maybe educate yourself on a topic before claiming you can't do something.

                Also you don't traverse with the ls command, that shows what's in a directory, it doesn't traverse them. So when you say "traverse by fucking ls" you look like a kid who just installed Linux lol

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                  How is you not even aware of what a file system is LMAO 🤣

                  I swear to God, how is it possible that people who can access the fediverse have such trouble finding a download folder.

                  It's like their brains fold instantly at the thought of searching through it.

                  "Hurr durr, where file"

                  In the downloads folder

                  My brother in Christ, please open the fucking file explorer

                  This is you, it's how you look like:

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                  #213

                  That's the entire point of the post, my guy. Some apps use the Downloads folder. Some use their own. Some use a folder you set a year ago when you first got the app but don't remember anymore.

                  The interface abstracts away from the actual file system so finding a file becomes guesswork. Doubly so if you then want to use the downloaded file in a different app that also doesn't give access to the file system.

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                  • L [email protected]

                    Someone asked what the hell you want to do. You said what you wanted to do, I'm telling you that you can. Where are you confused at?

                    Be an ignorant ass all you want, you just look stupid. Maybe educate yourself on a topic before claiming you can't do something.

                    Also you don't traverse with the ls command, that shows what's in a directory, it doesn't traverse them. So when you say "traverse by fucking ls" you look like a kid who just installed Linux lol

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                    #214

                    H-ha! I had a good laugh, for that I can thank you 🙂

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                      What's a pro of the iOS app based file system, it's never not been an artificially created frustrating and limiting experience for me. I had to print a bunch of documents that were scattered across a couple of folders on my gDrive recently and I thought I'll download them to my iPhone, move the necessary docs from the sub folders into a single folder that I'll zip and send to the printing service email, the amount of frustration I had to deal with just to do something simple like that made me want to chuck my phone into a wall. Also one time I had to send a single pdf from my android phone to my sister's iphone, in a place with no cell signal or wifi. and that to was a god awful experience, purposefully designed so by apple so people stick to only using airdrop and Icloud. I had to basically setup a file server + wifi Hotspot on my android phone to be able to transfer that one file and because it was an android I could actually do that in the first place. So many apps I used to use can't work on iphones cause apple just won't allow it.

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                      The file system ain’t a pro. But the stock one ain’t so bad, and OwlFiles improves it. Just like on Android I feel something like CX Explorer is a lot better than the stock one. I meant overall as an OS, both have pros and cons. An ios pro for example is AirPlay, a lot better than casting, you can play music to multiple speakers at the same time higher quality. Or FaceTime audio calls, more private and much clearer than WhatsApp/Signal/Duo calls. Or generally apps working and looking better on ios than android, with less chances of spammy crap. Samsung/android has a dex advantage, and multitasking, and miracast which is more common than AirPlay screens. Airdrop is great, but there’s equal things in android. LocalSend is great for both android and Apple and between both too. Apple had shitty charging support till usbc came in and now it’s cool. Android is selling your soul to Google who sells your soul to everyone in the world. iPhone is selling your soul Apple which does lesser stuff with it in comparison. Like I said, both are great, both suck, both have pros and cons. The ideal life is to have a dummy phone and live real life, but next best is to probably have one of each device if you have the need, or suck it up and choose one. Phones are taking up too much of our lives to worry about having loyalty to one anyway…

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                        H-ha! I had a good laugh, for that I can thank you 🙂

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                        #216

                        What a child pretender lol

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                          What a child pretender lol

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                          Yeah, that's me. You got me, o vise wun

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                            Yeah, that's me. You got me, o vise wun

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                            This is all you have huh? Childish come backs? I mean when someone points out your stupidity you don't have many options, and you don't really seem like the guy to own up to a mistake.

                            We both know you were wrong, that's good enough for me kid.

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                              This is all you have huh? Childish come backs? I mean when someone points out your stupidity you don't have many options, and you don't really seem like the guy to own up to a mistake.

                              We both know you were wrong, that's good enough for me kid.

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                              That's so much good for you than you still write. And since you are trying to die on the hill of "you right, me wrong", I won't help you understand where you fucked up

                              Hm. Looks like deliberately wrong spelling does the trick of boosting your reading skills. Trai tu reed ma fist masaage egein

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                                dont forget on some phones OS, you can actually pick and choose the download location. After you downloaded though, the files arent there....

                                Had to question my sanity many times....

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                                I thought I was losing it because this app wanted to save things to a "downloads" folder. Only to find out it saves it in something like

                                documents/app name/downloads
                                Instead of

                                Downloads/

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                                  Luckily, we technology enthusiasts are all special snowflakes and don’t engage in anything as banal as copying other people and sarcasm 🙂

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                                  Luckily, we technology enthusiasts are all special snowflakes and don’t engage in anything as banal as copying other people and sarcasm 🙂 🙂

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                                    That's so much good for you than you still write. And since you are trying to die on the hill of "you right, me wrong", I won't help you understand where you fucked up

                                    Hm. Looks like deliberately wrong spelling does the trick of boosting your reading skills. Trai tu reed ma fist masaage egein

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                                    #222

                                    Jesus, this reads like an angsty teen. That whole last paragraph... You feel proud about that? You happy with how that came across?

                                    That's so much good for you than you still write.

                                    What? Are you having a stroke? That sure would explain all this nonsense.

                                    But man, I really missed out on how the ls command can move you through directories on it's own. I don't even need cd anymore, wow. That would have been revolutionary.

                                    It's not a hill on dying in lol. You are objectively wrong. There no debate.

                                    But sure, since I upset you, that's why you won't tell me where I messed up. Right.... Because you totally know, like for sure, but you just won't tell me because you got your feelings hurt. Lol ok. You don't even understand the basics of the things you are talking about. You are so transparent.

                                    You know nothing about Linux, you clearly know nothing about Android or it's file system either. You don't even realize you can literally open a Linux shell on your android lol

                                    Just sit down, you're embarrassing yourself.

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                                      Jesus, this reads like an angsty teen. That whole last paragraph... You feel proud about that? You happy with how that came across?

                                      That's so much good for you than you still write.

                                      What? Are you having a stroke? That sure would explain all this nonsense.

                                      But man, I really missed out on how the ls command can move you through directories on it's own. I don't even need cd anymore, wow. That would have been revolutionary.

                                      It's not a hill on dying in lol. You are objectively wrong. There no debate.

                                      But sure, since I upset you, that's why you won't tell me where I messed up. Right.... Because you totally know, like for sure, but you just won't tell me because you got your feelings hurt. Lol ok. You don't even understand the basics of the things you are talking about. You are so transparent.

                                      You know nothing about Linux, you clearly know nothing about Android or it's file system either. You don't even realize you can literally open a Linux shell on your android lol

                                      Just sit down, you're embarrassing yourself.

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                                      This gets funnier with each iteration 🙂
                                      Do go on then. What else my transparent self does not realize?
                                      And while I am still at it, where is your insightful and undeniable proof Android actually does what I want from it? So far I've seen only "lol I can do it", so catch this: if you can do that, I can traverse file system with ls. Even starting at / on Android

                                      You're move, da greit wun

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                                        The file system ain’t a pro. But the stock one ain’t so bad, and OwlFiles improves it. Just like on Android I feel something like CX Explorer is a lot better than the stock one. I meant overall as an OS, both have pros and cons. An ios pro for example is AirPlay, a lot better than casting, you can play music to multiple speakers at the same time higher quality. Or FaceTime audio calls, more private and much clearer than WhatsApp/Signal/Duo calls. Or generally apps working and looking better on ios than android, with less chances of spammy crap. Samsung/android has a dex advantage, and multitasking, and miracast which is more common than AirPlay screens. Airdrop is great, but there’s equal things in android. LocalSend is great for both android and Apple and between both too. Apple had shitty charging support till usbc came in and now it’s cool. Android is selling your soul to Google who sells your soul to everyone in the world. iPhone is selling your soul Apple which does lesser stuff with it in comparison. Like I said, both are great, both suck, both have pros and cons. The ideal life is to have a dummy phone and live real life, but next best is to probably have one of each device if you have the need, or suck it up and choose one. Phones are taking up too much of our lives to worry about having loyalty to one anyway…

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                                        I can put a degoogled OS on an android phone to keep Google at bay, cause I bought and own the device. The iOS pros you mentioned are just apps, not even specifically tied to the OS itself, and most of them only work well within the apple ecosystem and purposefully don't work at all or work poorly with non apple devices. Android has tons of apps that do the same thing, or even better and they work with every device and OS regardless of who made them. So far the only iOS specific things I liked are the dynamic island functionality, the custom focus modes with customizable home and lock screens, the activity usage locks and analytics, most of these I can replicate on Android as well when I move to it.

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                                          This gets funnier with each iteration 🙂
                                          Do go on then. What else my transparent self does not realize?
                                          And while I am still at it, where is your insightful and undeniable proof Android actually does what I want from it? So far I've seen only "lol I can do it", so catch this: if you can do that, I can traverse file system with ls. Even starting at / on Android

                                          You're move, da greit wun

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                                          #225

                                          I would explain it to you but you were mean to me so I'm not gonna!

                                          Am I doing it right? This seems to be how you have convos.

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