U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) waiting outside unmarked van
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If people that looked like this showed up at my door, they'd be looking down the barrel of a shotgun. These morons are going to get shot.
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You can only use proportional force to defend yourself under stand your ground laws. If you stab someone that is only using their body parts then you go to jail. Will a jury convict? It will take a year or two to find out.
Multiple people is significantly more force than even a knife.
Proportional force means the force must be proportional to the threat, not to the force the other person is using. If someone threatens death with their hands, you can use deadly force to defend against a deadly threat.
One would be reasonable in concluding that masked people trying to force you or someone else into a van is an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm or sexual assault.
You can't use deadly force to defend against harassment, or theft because that's disproportionate.
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That's a lynching posse, and not a gathering of law enforcement officers.
That's exactly what this is, a new form of lynching. In a way, it's even worse than lynching. They may not be hanging them from a tree, but they are destroying the lives of entire families.
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No badges, no name tags, no exposed faces… let’s see “ ICE “ try this in a state with strong self defense laws.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Don't forget, the State decides if it's self-defense or not, and Self-Defense states tend to be Red. Florida has some of the "strongest" Self-Defense laws, and the State would side with these goons every time.
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Don't forget, the State decides if it's self-defense or not, and Self-Defense states tend to be Red. Florida has some of the "strongest" Self-Defense laws, and the State would side with these goons every time.
While that doesn’t surprise me, I don’t think I’ve heard/seen/read about “ICE” getting guns drawn on by people they try to kidnap.
I carry, with a permit, and I regularly practice & train. I don’t wake up bloodthirsty but if masked dudes approach me and I don’t see badges/names/police ID, you bet I’m drawing on them, and if they attempt to lay hands on me I’m firing. I will most likely be persecuted and found guilty but I’ll at least say I did something on record against the gestapo and maybe set a precedent?
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Yea these guys don't look like law enforcement. They gonna get shot if its my turn cause these look like bad guys just kidnapping fools.
You know what, that probably would stand in court. "I saw some random dudes in masks attempting to kidnap a woman so I intervened."
If they wanna look like a some random thug they'll have to accept thug consequences.
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You're right. And if you feel threatened, you could just shoot them. "Had no idea they were cops. They hid their faces like gang members."
If they were just bounty hunters, with no ID or uniforms, and somebody stopped them, I doubt any judge would allow a case to go forward. There is no law that says citizens have to cooperate with violent, unidentified strangers.
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I can’t help but think of this “Straight Man Fashion” video when I see this picture.
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Glitter.
Their wives would be so mad!
"Glitter!? Again? How many times have I told you I to stay out of that strip joint? I hope you like the couch, that's where you'll be sleeping for a while!"
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No badges, no name tags, no exposed faces… let’s see “ ICE “ try this in a state with strong self defense laws.
They are literally going around like this in every state and have detained at 51,000 people publicly on the record.
See them Try? They already Do.
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I am curious to see how many incidentscome out where there are of ACTUAL kidnappings that happen because some geniuses get the idea to just go grab some people and throw them in a van while dressing up like these ICE idiots.
You want to give gangs a free pass to grab random people or rivals off the street? Make your "official govt activity" look like gang activity.
Literally just last week in Philadelphia, guy tried to kidnap a woman and rob the business she worked at.
And then there is all these ones.
We have absolutely set it up so criminals and bastards have a template to follow to hurt others as they want. No rules anymore in America unless it's about rising up against the lack of rules.
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can't wait for them to be gunned down in self defense.
it will be so strange, they will be gunned down in the middle of a busy street with countless passerbys, but somehow there will be no witnesses
Any day now right?
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A payphone? Do you have a 21st century idea?
Use your prepaid mci long distance calling card on your neighbors phone so they don't incur any charges
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You can probably identify them by their ugly ass mall cop shoes
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dont you guys have an amendment that allows you to shoot such militia?
for self defense against a rogue state and shit?
That was written when the people and the government had access to the same level of firepower.
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Nah, Rand is afraid to go outside, where his neighbor will beat him up because he's such a dickhead.
That's part of the libertarian dream, baby. You gotta defend yourself or build a wall or hire security or not be a dick or get popped.
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Those are thugs, who were under qualified for mafia or even any respectable gang so they applied for the government job.
They look like NPCs.
The basic bitch version of fascism.
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Never let the assailant take you to the secondary location.
Urban self defense classes have been teaching this since the 1970s, at least.
The secondary location these days is in El Salvador.
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Lets have another peaceful protest, it will work this time.
Not sure if you're being facetious here
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Any day now right?
we could use some good news,
