TIL No Kings Protests were the 3rd Largest in US History
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"no king's" implies you think of him as a king. So not really an insult
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“Conspiracy” implies something hidden. The financial backers of this event were listed in plain English on their ads.
I have not seen this.
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"The advertisements from Christy Walton are in no way connected to or endorsed by Walmart. She does not serve on the board or play any role in decision-making at Walmart," the company said in a statement to CBS MoneyWatch.
Walton has also made clear that she paid for the ad herself, and that it represents her own views.
I 100% believe billionaires shouldn't exist, are a millstone on the neck of society and progress. I'd also support any action that would take care of the problem... But I don't think you link shows much more than a single deplorable person experiencing a twitch of morality.
What is more likely?: this billionaire is funding a nationwide rally against the president’s cut to benefits that directly contribute to her growing wealth, or this billionaire is doing this out of a sense of morality?
What was the call to action of this protest? What was the demand? Stop, and think it through.
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So my point is that people need to keep their eye on the long term solution for America's problems, and that doesn't stop with kicking Trump out, it requires a far deeper cleanup of the American political system and addressing the problems of common Americans so that another guy like Trump (or, more likely, worse) doesn't get eventually get in power after Trump is out.
Denigrating the effort to date doesn't do anything to further your point. Instead it serves to quell support and push a negative outlook and view of protesting.
Offering support, encouragement and advocating for sustained effort would.
You mentioned the George Floyd protests and said, in relation to that, "merelly coming out and walking for a bit in your own time while holding a board up doesn’t seem to achieve anything" but that's not true.
During and immediately after George Floyd the protest effected a lot of change but then the protests stopped, complacency set in.
Trump is not the disease, he's a symptom, so merely Trump out isn't going to cure it.
No, the cure is sustained effort. The problems in the US have been building and evolving for decades, if not longer, and they'll take at least that long to get a handle on.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Notice the merelly starting the very sentence sentence you quote from me about the George Floyd protests.
The pigs are still often holding people down by putting their knee on that person's neck, so how exactly has the largest demonstration in America changed anything?!
Again, my point is that demonstrations have to be more than walking whilst holding a board up - at the very least they have to be opportunities to get contacts from other people with a view of joining grassroots groups for change.
If all that people do is walk and shout with lots of other people and then at the end of it go home with a feeling of achievement and do nothing further, all you get out of it is what you got with the George Floyd ones - empty promises from politicians and no actual change - when what all those millions of American should have gotten was a restructuring of policing in the US.
People here are way over-celebrating something which means very little unless we see that it has led to many following it with getting involved in politics and/or grassroots movements - it's premature and it makes me suspect that for many who participated this one demonstration was it and they aren't following it through with next steps.
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I have not seen this.
Then it must not exist!
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“Conspiracy” implies something hidden. The financial backers of this event were listed in plain English on their ads.
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Then it must not exist!
Apparently it does not, in the context that you claim.
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Ok. I'm too chicken shit to actually show up in person to one of these protests.
What's the next best thing I can do to meaningfully help?
Can you share what exactly your concerns are so that folks could suggest a mitigation strategy?
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"no king's" implies you think of him as a king. So not really an insult
"no kings" isn't meant as an insult, what are you on about? It's a statement that people don't want a king.
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Ok. I'm too chicken shit to actually show up in person to one of these protests.
What's the next best thing I can do to meaningfully help?
I get being afraid of going to a protest considering we have police literally saying they’ll just kill people, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get involved with those organizing the protests. See if you can get involved with the organizers of your local protests and ask them what they need for the protests. After all, those signs you see people carrying didn’t make themselves. At the very least you can call your reps and make your voice heard. Even if your reps are dems, make it clear that you want real action, not just talk. You could also talk to the people around you: at work, at the store, family members, etc. Encourage them to call their reps. If your reps aren’t actively making things worse or letting things get worse by doing nothing but fundraise (so most reps) then see if there are efforts to primary any of them and encourage everyone you know to vote in the primaries too
Like I said, I understand being afraid to go to a protest. I am too. But you have to remember that if we don’t stop Trump and a full blown fascist takeover, then things will be much, much worse and much, much harder to change
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These protests, while better than nothing, will not produce real change.
Just as the George Floyd protests did not produce real change (Pelosi kneeling and raising a fist is not "real change")
UnitedHealth reduced claim denials following the murder. So at least that is some tangible positive result
Just as the George Floyd protests did not produce real change
That's just not true though. You're just spouting bullshit on the internet.
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Apparently it does not, in the context that you claim.
Prove it. Show me one of their ads for the event where you’re not seeing the sponsors listed.
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Yes, they seem to be attempting to avoid a MAGA boycott by saying this is a personal choice by the Walton heiress, which just coincidentally aligns with Walmart’s pushback attempts against cuts to social benefit programs that’s expected to impact their profits.
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5 million people are doing something, your comment is shitting on their effort.
And 2-3 million were doing something a few months ago with the earlier protests. With any luck this trajectory continues
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That's great news. The other 9 of the 10 biggest protests were were extremely successful at affecting change.
Since we made such massive progress on all the others, this is clearly a harbinger of social and political progress.
wrote last edited by [email protected]- George Floyd (Police Brutality)
- Earth Day 1970 (Environmental Protection)
- No Kings (Trump)
- Hands Across America (Poverty)
- Women's March 2017 (Feminism)
- Hands Off (Trump)
- March for Our Lives (Gun Violence)
- Women's March 2018 (Feminism)
- #RickyRenuncia (Puerto Rico, Resignation of Ricardo Rosselló)
- Great American Boycott (Immigrant Rights)
Only #9 actually accomplished what they wanted.
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I searched and didnt find one. Maybe you can verify YOUR claim?
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Do you think that the needle has moved in a positive direction since these protests? Even if it feels like only a few millimetres?
Starting from the bottom of this list:
5. There's more women in the workforce than ever before https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm
4. We've seen a drop in poverty since 2017 (but it's climbing back up!) https://www160.statcan.gc.ca/prosperity-prosperite/poverty-pauvrete-eng.htm
3. As a direct response to Trump, Canada elected a Centre-Left Prime Minister in Marl Carney's Liberals when the election was decidedly going to be a Rightwing landslide with the Poilievre's Conservatives.
2. Green, renewable energy has never been more popular.- There have been significant reforms since the George Floyd protests. Some cops have seen prison time, or lost their jobs entirely.
That's not to say our job is done and everything is a utopia now - we still have a lot of work to do. However, we do need to acknowledge when things have moved in a good direction or we'll be overwhelmed by the bad and lose hope.
You've gotta see some of the good through all the shitty headlines that want to make you click and feel bad.
Your first source is about women working in Canada and your second is about poverty in Canada.
Unless I missed something, Canada still is a sovereign nation despite what Trump wants.
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Notice the merelly starting the very sentence sentence you quote from me about the George Floyd protests.
The pigs are still often holding people down by putting their knee on that person's neck, so how exactly has the largest demonstration in America changed anything?!
Again, my point is that demonstrations have to be more than walking whilst holding a board up - at the very least they have to be opportunities to get contacts from other people with a view of joining grassroots groups for change.
If all that people do is walk and shout with lots of other people and then at the end of it go home with a feeling of achievement and do nothing further, all you get out of it is what you got with the George Floyd ones - empty promises from politicians and no actual change - when what all those millions of American should have gotten was a restructuring of policing in the US.
People here are way over-celebrating something which means very little unless we see that it has led to many following it with getting involved in politics and/or grassroots movements - it's premature and it makes me suspect that for many who participated this one demonstration was it and they aren't following it through with next steps.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Notice the merelly starting the very sentence sentence you quote from me about the George Floyd protests. The pigs are still often holding people down by putting their knee on that person's neck, so how exactly has the largest demonstration in America changed anything?!
Assuming you meant merelly as merely I saw it but your claim that no change occurred is wrong. The change that did occur was unsustained because people in the US got complacent. They protested and cared for a while but then they stopped paying attention and things started back the way the were, now worse in some areas.
Notice how I said sustained effort? The thing that didn't happen after George Floyd.
If all that people do is walk and shout with lots of other people and then at the end of it go home with a feeling of achievement and do nothing further
"Do nothing further"? You mean further than the protests 2 days ago that set record numbers? Or the ones that have been ongoing every weekend for months? That have been building and increasing to the No Kings day protest? Is that the do nothing further you're referring to?
People here are way over-celebrating something which means very little unless we see that it has led to many following it with getting involved in politics and/or grassroots movements
Are you in regular contact with the majority of the US population that you can say that hasn't been happening? I'm pretty sure the growing numbers of protesters is people getting "involved in politics and/or grassroots movements".
it's premature and it makes me suspect that for many who participated this one demonstration was it and they aren't following it through with next steps.
Oh, you're predicting the future 48 hours post protest. This is just the same bullshit "your protesting isn't good enough" sentiment everywhere else on Lemmy repackaged and with more words.
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Yes, they seem to be attempting to avoid a MAGA boycott by saying this is a personal choice by the Walton heiress, which just coincidentally aligns with Walmart’s pushback attempts against cuts to social benefit programs that’s expected to impact their profits.
So YOUR ASSERTION is that all the ads say "No Kings Day, brought to you by WalMart!" but they're offended by ONE ad (in a publication that MAGA hates and would never pay to see) and that might possibly cost them the MAGA patronage?
Explain this. In detail. Fully.
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So YOUR ASSERTION is that all the ads say "No Kings Day, brought to you by WalMart!" but they're offended by ONE ad (in a publication that MAGA hates and would never pay to see) and that might possibly cost them the MAGA patronage?
Explain this. In detail. Fully.
I don’t know how to explain this in a way you’ll understand it. I don’t have any training in teaching the mentally challenged.
