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    First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.

    Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)

    Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...

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    no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there.

    Eventually, Lexus might stop including the analog clock as a luxury feature.

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      Let me put it this way: if someone is not disabled and still unable or too lazy to understand the clock, they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.

      This is not a "discrimination" - most exams are for the people with a some level of the IQ, certainly above the level of a radiator. Or a stool.

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      unable or too lazy to understand the clock,

      They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It's not like that's the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they're not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it's just that analog clocks aren't as common as they used to be. Hence, they're less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don't bother, since they don't really need it these days

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        Let me rephrase it than - if someone is an idiot, they shouldn't be in the exam room. If you are concerned about it, it may be because you fit the category.

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        You don’t know how to use an abacus? You must be an idiot.

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          Digital clocks are just objectively better. They are easier to read, cheaper, and more accurate. While the reason for swapping out the clocks is bad, the end result is still good.

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            You don’t know how to use an abacus? You must be an idiot.

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            No. Don't know how to use the clock? You shouldn't be in the exam room.

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              unable or too lazy to understand the clock,

              They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It's not like that's the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they're not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it's just that analog clocks aren't as common as they used to be. Hence, they're less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don't bother, since they don't really need it these days

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              Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways?

              Because it is is widely used?

              Why should they learn alphabet in the first place? Why should they learn numbers?

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                Let me rephrase it than - if someone is an idiot, they shouldn't be in the exam room. If you are concerned about it, it may be because you fit the category.

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                What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.

                it may be because you fit the category

                Or maybe because it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

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                  Ive tried to teach my students (High School) how to read an analog clock. Keep in mind, I dont have time to teach a whole class on it, just a little lesson on how now and then when they ask what time it is. They can read it for the class, but the next day theyve forgotten how completely.

                  Its not because theyre stupid or lazy. Its because they rarely get practice with it. We know how to read an analog clock because, yes we were taught it in school, but they were everywhere so we essentially had practice with it all the time. These kids see digital clocks 99% of the time. So when do they ever apply their knowledge?

                  The only students who can read the clock are the handful who have analog watches for fashion reasons because they use it all the time.

                  Its a matter of practice but in truth these kids dont really have to read an analog clock in the modern world.

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                  As a parent, we made sure to have an analog clock in every room while my kids were growing up, and we made them prove they could read it. Still don’t work. Digital clocks are everywhere else and in many ways more convenient.

                  Analog clocks are an obsolete decice whose time has passed. I also tried to keep it alive into the next generation but it’s not happening. It’s time to give it up.

                  Let that be one of our hallmarks as we age: the last generation with analog clocks. I use an analog face on my digital watch, have analog decorative clocks and I’ll accept that my kids believe that old fashioned (they do accept the analog clock face on my old car I gave them though, or maybe don’t know how to change it)

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                    Are people really this stupid now?

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                    Yeah they are. Try asking a simple question about geography. OR Remember in the movie Animal House how the Belushi character said that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Say that today and most people still in school will readily nod in agreement

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                      No. Don't know how to use the clock? You shouldn't be in the exam room.

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                      Except, they do know how to use a clock. Just not your favorite clock

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                        NGL, wind up analog clocks are useful in places where the power goes out often. I have a 7-day grandfather clock and it's been a godsend when northeasters turn into ice storms that take down the power for days..

                        (Northern New England has wretched winter weather some years)

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                        I’ve always wanted one of these but really only to remind me of my grandparents house from when I was a kid

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                          Except, they do know how to use a clock. Just not your favorite clock

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                          Nope. They don't know how to use the clock. The one widely used.

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                            Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways?

                            Because it is is widely used?

                            Why should they learn alphabet in the first place? Why should they learn numbers?

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                            It's not really widely used anymore.

                            Alphabets can't be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be

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                              Idk in our university lecture halls we had HH:MM.sss digital clocks and it's obviously superior for exams because you can just compare the numbers instead of translating and then comparing the numbers. And I'm pretty sure that's why they were digital, because it's easier to quickly compare.

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                              The point wasn't about which is easier but that many really can't read an analog clock. And that's really sad.

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                                Nope. They don't know how to use the clock. The one widely used.

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                                Not the one widely used, but they do know how to use the clock. And they're not really that much more used than digital clocks. Therefore, it doesn't matter

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                                  What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.

                                  it may be because you fit the category

                                  Or maybe because it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

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                                  What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots?

                                  Wrong question. The correct would be: what make people who are too lazy or too stupid to learn the clock idiots - but that would be a rhetorical one.

                                  it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

                                  Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

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                                    Its because they rarely get practice with it.

                                    I would argue that a lot of what I learned in school didn't have much opportunity to practice outside of school, but I agree that analog clocks are not a learning priority.

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                                    Most of the things that I was taught that I don't get practice with I do not remember how to do it anymore. Now I do have ADHD so that definitely does not help.

                                    However I will say I do think in some cases learning how to do things you wont necessarily need outside of school can be useful as it can teach you other helpful things subconsciously. There are certain supporting skills that are developed when you learn those things that can be used in other contexts. Are there more effective ways to learn those supporting skills besides teaching things most people likely wont use again? Probably, but I don't really have an answer for what

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                                      It’s only happened twice, but I’ve run into kids who couldn’t read an analog clock. You know what I did?

                                      I taught them. It took, like, 30 seconds. I know it took 30 seconds because I was wearing a goddamn watch.

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                                      Still can't understand how any kid cannot do it. Isn't that something you learn from your parents before you even go to school

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                                        It's not really widely used anymore.

                                        Alphabets can't be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be

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                                        It's not really widely used anymore.

                                        Absolute and utter rubbish. Now go to the first high street shop with watches and try again.

                                        But clocks can be

                                        Your point is?

                                        Maps can be easy replace with a GPS. Ability to read maps is still (and should be) on the curriculum.

                                        Calculator has replaced the need to add, multiply and divide, yet we still ask children to learn these skills.

                                        Go figure 🙄

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                                          Snopes article about this from 2018 stating it’s mostly false.

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                                          Well who would ever disagree with a Snopes article

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