What do you think of the future of the Internet? Will the "Splinternet" become reality for most of the world?
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If darknets become a thing, I could see regional intranets start popping up if the general internet doesn't meet peoples needs.
Think about what you could get out of a truely open platform set up by individuals without a megs corp. Could be awesome.
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"The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all."
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"The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all."
radio have brought us closer together
Lol, they used to jam shortwave radios before modern internet. Authoritarians are really afraid of the free flow of information.
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It already is the fact. I mean, sure, some of the splinters are smaller, like Lemmy vs. Reddit, or BlueSky vs. Twitter, but they are still splintered and they will never reconcile.
wrote last edited by [email protected]These aren’t actual “splinters” though. These are just pissing matches between platforms. The idea of disconnecting a range of users from the internet (such as a country geo blocking another country) is quite a bit different, like if reddit was suddenly no longer available to lemmy users and vice versa.
I for one hope for the balkanization of the internet because while it will be extremely disruptive and kind of a nightmare it will potentially facilitate and popularize a replacement like ipfs, yggdrasil, or more federation to displace this corpo nightmare we’ve found ourselves in
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If darknets become a thing, I could see regional intranets start popping up if the general internet doesn't meet peoples needs.
Think about what you could get out of a truely open platform set up by individuals without a megs corp. Could be awesome.
A meshtashtic-forum would be awesome!
But unfortunately, I think we're getting the qq/weibo/baidu/zhihu type of internet
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These aren’t actual “splinters” though. These are just pissing matches between platforms. The idea of disconnecting a range of users from the internet (such as a country geo blocking another country) is quite a bit different, like if reddit was suddenly no longer available to lemmy users and vice versa.
I for one hope for the balkanization of the internet because while it will be extremely disruptive and kind of a nightmare it will potentially facilitate and popularize a replacement like ipfs, yggdrasil, or more federation to displace this corpo nightmare we’ve found ourselves in
Ham Radio Time?
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Unrelated: Isn’t North Korea’s “internet” just a LAN running with 10.x.x.x addresses? Lol
Edit: Fuck, looks like all the master debaters came out of the woodwork on this.
Yes, obviously the internet is a network of networks but we don’t typically route private subnets over the public network. 🥴
They’re literally using a private subnet as their “internet.”
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Unrelated: Isn’t North Korea’s “internet” just a LAN running with 10.x.x.x addresses? Lol
Edit: Fuck, looks like all the master debaters came out of the woodwork on this.
Yes, obviously the internet is a network of networks but we don’t typically route private subnets over the public network. 🥴
They’re literally using a private subnet as their “internet.”
If by internet you mean network? Probably. If by internet you mean Internet then no there are actual IP addresses allocated.
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There's already the Russian internet and the Chinese internet.
All the "save the children" acts that seem to be going around will probably just accelerate it.
Must be so nice being a child born today, so safe!
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If darknets become a thing, I could see regional intranets start popping up if the general internet doesn't meet peoples needs.
Think about what you could get out of a truely open platform set up by individuals without a megs corp. Could be awesome.
Sneakernet https://github.com/berty/berty
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Must be so nice being a child born today, so safe!
Very safe indeed /s
Btw, apparantly, the second children born during the one child policy (in PRC) will not receive legal documents unless the fine (which was like ¥10,000-¥25,000 which was a lot btw) gets paid, so yea... imagine having zero documents in your own country, no subway, no long distance trains, cant even get a phone number (cuz everything needs ID), because of some stupid government enforced birth control bs (also its not like I chose to be born, wtf is this lashing out at the kids for lmao)
So you tell the people to give birth to a lot of children, then oopsie, need to backtrack, one child policy, then now that one child is supporting their parents and their 4 grandparent's entire retirement plan.
And I'm pretty sure the only reason why I was born was because my mother wanted to secure her retirement plan (because in case my older brother is a "failure" somehow).
So yea, I was born because... I'm part of my parent's idea of a retirement plan. Wonderful.
depression intensifies
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Unrelated: Isn’t North Korea’s “internet” just a LAN running with 10.x.x.x addresses? Lol
Edit: Fuck, looks like all the master debaters came out of the woodwork on this.
Yes, obviously the internet is a network of networks but we don’t typically route private subnets over the public network. 🥴
They’re literally using a private subnet as their “internet.”
If by LAN you mean network? Probably. If by LAN you mean LAN then yes 10.x.x.x is the subnet range.
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Very safe indeed /s
Btw, apparantly, the second children born during the one child policy (in PRC) will not receive legal documents unless the fine (which was like ¥10,000-¥25,000 which was a lot btw) gets paid, so yea... imagine having zero documents in your own country, no subway, no long distance trains, cant even get a phone number (cuz everything needs ID), because of some stupid government enforced birth control bs (also its not like I chose to be born, wtf is this lashing out at the kids for lmao)
So you tell the people to give birth to a lot of children, then oopsie, need to backtrack, one child policy, then now that one child is supporting their parents and their 4 grandparent's entire retirement plan.
And I'm pretty sure the only reason why I was born was because my mother wanted to secure her retirement plan (because in case my older brother is a "failure" somehow).
So yea, I was born because... I'm part of my parent's idea of a retirement plan. Wonderful.
depression intensifies
Now stop complaining and go to work
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If darknets become a thing, I could see regional intranets start popping up if the general internet doesn't meet peoples needs.
Think about what you could get out of a truely open platform set up by individuals without a megs corp. Could be awesome.
I2P.
I2P.
How do more people not know about I2P?!
You can run your own darknet node today!
You can build a local meshnet with it, and/or connect it out to as far as you can reach any other I2P node.
You can use it as a sort of distributed VPN to access the clearnet, and/or acquire yaaaarrgh matey content, and, though it is slow, it is more secure than Tor, and would be faster if more people used it.
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Aw, man, it’s not about a giant rat and martial arts turtles?
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These aren’t actual “splinters” though. These are just pissing matches between platforms. The idea of disconnecting a range of users from the internet (such as a country geo blocking another country) is quite a bit different, like if reddit was suddenly no longer available to lemmy users and vice versa.
I for one hope for the balkanization of the internet because while it will be extremely disruptive and kind of a nightmare it will potentially facilitate and popularize a replacement like ipfs, yggdrasil, or more federation to displace this corpo nightmare we’ve found ourselves in
Why not call it decentralization? Because that sounds like an actual good thing.
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I2P.
I2P.
How do more people not know about I2P?!
You can run your own darknet node today!
You can build a local meshnet with it, and/or connect it out to as far as you can reach any other I2P node.
You can use it as a sort of distributed VPN to access the clearnet, and/or acquire yaaaarrgh matey content, and, though it is slow, it is more secure than Tor, and would be faster if more people used it.
Thanks. I've set up one of these and integrated it with a Lora node a while back. Its a neat novelty. But its exceptionally hard to work with at least for me. Hope the project does well though!
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Thanks. I've set up one of these and integrated it with a Lora node a while back. Its a neat novelty. But its exceptionally hard to work with at least for me. Hope the project does well though!
wrote last edited by [email protected]I am just happy you actually know what it is, and even better, have really futzed about with it.
Yes, it is a bit of hassle to figure out how to set up properly... it would probably be quite helpful if somebody set up an 'idiots guide to using I2P', or some kind of 'input your use case -> heres what you need to do' type of instructional or autoconfig generator tool..
But I2P has so, so much potential to act as a secure and versatile sort of underweb, for all things that are not dependant on very low latency and high dl/ul speeds.
We can more or less just go back to the old, slower paced but highly efficient internet, but much more private and secure, if we want to build it ourselves.
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Unrelated: Isn’t North Korea’s “internet” just a LAN running with 10.x.x.x addresses? Lol
Edit: Fuck, looks like all the master debaters came out of the woodwork on this.
Yes, obviously the internet is a network of networks but we don’t typically route private subnets over the public network. 🥴
They’re literally using a private subnet as their “internet.”
All networks are LAN. The Internet is made of millions of tiny networks routed together.
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Truly a dangerous time when whole internets are defederating from one another. Will the echo-chambered walled gardens ever fall?
