Greatest ally
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does "national honour" justify starving tens of thousands of children and civilians?
Of course. That is how nationalism works.
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Of course. That is how nationalism works.
Nationalism isn't something evil inherently, I like to remind of the "singing revolution", a peaceful separatists movements of the baltic states to split ties with the soviet occupying force:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_WayBut it can very quickly turn into something evil if utilized by powerhungry regimes
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Sometimes I wish this would happen so that the USA would 180 and invade Israel instead, but like the USS Liberty is evidence that the opposite would happen and the government would just cover it up and send Israel another billion dollars
We'd do like that guy who dick cheney shot in the face, and apologize to the Israelis that they bombed us.
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It's antisemitic to make Israelis look bad by highlighting what they say to each other.
You are only allowed to hear official, sanitised responses from English speaking israelis.
Agreed, I think if we translate more of these we are in for a bad time.
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Nationalism isn't something evil inherently, I like to remind of the "singing revolution", a peaceful separatists movements of the baltic states to split ties with the soviet occupying force:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_WayBut it can very quickly turn into something evil if utilized by powerhungry regimes
Nationalism as a political ideology and nationalism as advocacy for independence of people sharing national identity that isn't broadly recognized as official nation are two different things sharing the same name. Nationalism as political ideology is inherently evil, as it puts interests of an artifical construct above interests of people, with specific attention put to ingroup and outgroup dynamics. Separatists movements aren't inherently evil, with the desire of liberation being usually something everyone can stand behind, but if those movements co-opt the nationalist ideology, then they may be classified as evil in my book. Or evil-er. There are no perfect victims and such.
I feel like it's a meaningful distinction to make.
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I love how Netanyahu have him a golden pager
Just a reminder for taco to stay in line.
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This is the kind of shit why I say that white supremacists and Nazis love the state of Israel. Both they and Israel insist that this is what Jews are really about, at the expense of actual Jewish people just trying to live their lives.
remember that the creation of a Jewish ethnostate was always the original goal of the nazi party. the mass killings only started when the logistics became infeasible.
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I was under the impression that the entire population of Israel have been brainwashed against Palestinians from birth for decades now.
I mean they sanewashed their army as the "most moral army" to the whole world until recently. Their population didn't stand a chance.
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It annoys me that it actually is canon that the fairies are angels. Fundies can't help but steal everything.
The creator is a fundie
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The creator is a fundie
Yes, and as in fundie tradition he stole parts of other myths and forced it to fit his own beliefs.
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Nationalism as a political ideology and nationalism as advocacy for independence of people sharing national identity that isn't broadly recognized as official nation are two different things sharing the same name. Nationalism as political ideology is inherently evil, as it puts interests of an artifical construct above interests of people, with specific attention put to ingroup and outgroup dynamics. Separatists movements aren't inherently evil, with the desire of liberation being usually something everyone can stand behind, but if those movements co-opt the nationalist ideology, then they may be classified as evil in my book. Or evil-er. There are no perfect victims and such.
I feel like it's a meaningful distinction to make.
Nationalism vs Patriotism
Nationalism - identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Patriotism - the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
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Zionists don't care about lives besides their own. I find it so ironic how the US calls itself the land of the free yet sides with genociders. you would've thought that after the USS Liberty incident the US would've had second thoughts about being allied with Israel
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Thank you for your service lol
Im doing my part! o7
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remember that the creation of a Jewish ethnostate was always the original goal of the nazi party. the mass killings only started when the logistics became infeasible.
Some reading for those interested.
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If this ever happens, watch the liberal media still ask people they condemn khamas when talking about this.
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Nationalism as a political ideology and nationalism as advocacy for independence of people sharing national identity that isn't broadly recognized as official nation are two different things sharing the same name. Nationalism as political ideology is inherently evil, as it puts interests of an artifical construct above interests of people, with specific attention put to ingroup and outgroup dynamics. Separatists movements aren't inherently evil, with the desire of liberation being usually something everyone can stand behind, but if those movements co-opt the nationalist ideology, then they may be classified as evil in my book. Or evil-er. There are no perfect victims and such.
I feel like it's a meaningful distinction to make.
I disagree with this argument solely for the fact that nationalism as a FUNCTION arises out of a desire to form a cohesive cultural identity that can be defined and can ostensibly provide context for people's place in a society; something that occurs across the scale of human settlements, but which in our current age manifests primarily in association to a nation-state. I think the point you're trying to make is that nationalism as an IDEOLOGY is weak and highly prone to exploitation, leading to its broad application by people with evil intentions.
Also, a reminder that the Confederacy was definitively a separatist movement.
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This is the kind of shit why I say that white supremacists and Nazis love the state of Israel. Both they and Israel insist that this is what Jews are really about, at the expense of actual Jewish people just trying to live their lives.
Yep, most zionists are American Christian fundamentalist psychos
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Yes, and as in fundie tradition he stole parts of other myths and forced it to fit his own beliefs.
Right, the way it was worded kinda sounded like you thought the show had been taken over by a fundie to shoehorn in that they're angels.
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I disagree with this argument solely for the fact that nationalism as a FUNCTION arises out of a desire to form a cohesive cultural identity that can be defined and can ostensibly provide context for people's place in a society; something that occurs across the scale of human settlements, but which in our current age manifests primarily in association to a nation-state. I think the point you're trying to make is that nationalism as an IDEOLOGY is weak and highly prone to exploitation, leading to its broad application by people with evil intentions.
Also, a reminder that the Confederacy was definitively a separatist movement.
Nationalism as a function, to use your terms, doesn't have to specifically be a result of a desire for cultural identity. It might, but when speaking of it as a function it has a narrower meaning and doesn't have to carry additional baggage like that, though it may often imply it. When speaking of nationalism as ideology, it definitely fits my definition of evil, by putting artifical values above the wellbeing of people, which nationalism does by definition. Following that logic, nationalism as function isn't necessarily evil (though it may be if you flavor it with racism or such, like Confederation did), while nationalism as ideology necessarily is. I'm not sure what specifically you were disagreeing with, so I hope I made my point clearer.
