Cheeto devouring his nation
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He certainly wasn't horrified about doing it in the original myth, as far as I remember.
Considering he ate FIVE of his children, I don't think he was.
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Gonna need fundamental change to make the president less powerful and make it so that no one party ever holds a majority in Congress ever again. The first would follow the second, so we should be pushing for something like Sequential Proportional Approval Voting for every legislature we got.
Start with reforming the ways your elections are held. To the rest of the world it seems like a 250 years old system to keep those with money in power.
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Fuck AI. Fuck Trump. Fucking love Fransisco de Goya.
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he pratices deepthroating putin alot.
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Start with reforming the ways your elections are held. To the rest of the world it seems like a 250 years old system to keep those with money in power.
I thought the american revolution was held to get lost of a king and his henchmen?You're going to have to get more specific if you want a response beyond "yeah man, it is 250 years old."
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There are facts, they just went with him to his grave.
Fair point. I guess it would be better to say that there isn't much to learn about in terms of hard facts.
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He certainly wasn't horrified about doing it in the original myth, as far as I remember.
Yeah, I've always seen Goya's version (if this is even Saturn at all) to be an inversion or some kind of commentary on the original theme. There are a few famous paintings of this scene from before Goya's time.
If anything it feels to me that Saturn was in the darkness doing this act but now there is a bright and sudden light being shown on him and he is shocked or ashamed. Almost like he has possibly "snapped out" of the state he was just in and is now maybe seeing what he has done for the first time himself.
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He certainly wasn't horrified about doing it in the original myth, as far as I remember.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Edit: wrong thread.
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It's hard to say for sure. I always interpreted his expression as maniacal rather than horrified.
Yeah I've heard few different intersting takes. I think most people agree the expression is mechanical like you said.
This is just my impression. It's the lighting more than anything that makes me feel this way. The painting seems to be illuminating the devourer in a way that suggests he might be seeing his own act for the first time himself.
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Edit: wrong thread.
Hey! You come back here with that irrelevant commentary!
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This is based on Goya's famous painting "Saturn Devouring His Son", if anyone was wondering.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]But why did you post a weirdly cropped version? I just can't see how that happened.
Here's the full painting:
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Gonna need fundamental change to make the president less powerful and make it so that no one party ever holds a majority in Congress ever again. The first would follow the second, so we should be pushing for something like Sequential Proportional Approval Voting for every legislature we got.
Not a fan of SPAV, in part for the same reasons I'm not a fan of STAR:
- It doesn't eliminate strategic voting. For example, imagine you support two candidates for a multi-seat election. Under straight AV you vote for both of them because there's literally no incentive to do otherwise. Under SPAV, you might decide that since one of those candidates is much more popular and thus a foregone conclusion to win that you should avoid voting for them so the value of your vote for the other isn't reduced. Too many doing this can cause negative effects, like strategic voting in other methods.
- You can't tell me how my vote will actually be counted until every other vote is counted, because how the ballot will be measured in the end depends on every other ballot as depending on how everyone else voted your votes for some candidates may be worth less than your votes for other candidates. Straight AV doesn't have this problem, your vote is exactly what is says on the ballot and is counted exactly as it is on the ballot. The extra math also makes it more complicated to explain to voters en masse, which is a problem with other systems that have transferable votes.
I get that the goal is apparently to make every state elect a split legislature/congressmen by making so that if any seats are even vaguely competitive the parties will essentially be forced to take turns.
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You're going to have to get more specific if you want a response beyond "yeah man, it is 250 years old."
He's probably talking about the electoral college, and likely supports abolishing it in favor of a direct election which would mostly just shift the epmhasis away from the largest states that are close to flipping over to emphasizing a handful of the largest cities.
There's actually a bill that's made the rounds to several states that makes it so that once enough states (read a number equaling half plus 1 electoral votes) pass a similar law they will all switch over to assigning their electors based on the national popular vote rather than what they're state does. Unsurprisingly, California and New York jumped on this, as did some smaller solid blue states that are willing to hitch their wagon to "whatever California wants" going forward, but it's probably never going to actually take effect because if it could get to that point because if it could then we wouldn't be worrying about the GOP winning another election for the foreseeable future.
Or they aren't a fan of House apportionment. Or both. Though electoral college apportionment and house apportionment are related, so...
If they're from the EU, I'd have a question for them: Do you feel like Germany isn't given remotely enough power by the EU parliament, or that Malta has ridiculously too much to throw around? Because it's literally the same problem - if you try to represent people with a fixed number of seats apportioned between territories, and you try to minimize the mean difference in voters/representative, and there are a couple of territories that just blow the curve on each end that's what happens.
Still think merging the Dakotas and creating Montoming (merging Montana and Wyoming) is a good idea... Maybe go whole hog and if your state gets one House seat and is adjacent to a state with one House seat, you get merged to be one state from here on out. Where multiple options present, join the ones with the largest shared land border. Repeat until no examples remain, recalculate House seats and do it again if necessary. It probably won't help California much just because of how much CA blows the population curve, but it would likely push the states with the worst population/representative ratio up by one. Should probably pull out the math and see.
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Not a fan of SPAV, in part for the same reasons I'm not a fan of STAR:
- It doesn't eliminate strategic voting. For example, imagine you support two candidates for a multi-seat election. Under straight AV you vote for both of them because there's literally no incentive to do otherwise. Under SPAV, you might decide that since one of those candidates is much more popular and thus a foregone conclusion to win that you should avoid voting for them so the value of your vote for the other isn't reduced. Too many doing this can cause negative effects, like strategic voting in other methods.
- You can't tell me how my vote will actually be counted until every other vote is counted, because how the ballot will be measured in the end depends on every other ballot as depending on how everyone else voted your votes for some candidates may be worth less than your votes for other candidates. Straight AV doesn't have this problem, your vote is exactly what is says on the ballot and is counted exactly as it is on the ballot. The extra math also makes it more complicated to explain to voters en masse, which is a problem with other systems that have transferable votes.
I get that the goal is apparently to make every state elect a split legislature/congressmen by making so that if any seats are even vaguely competitive the parties will essentially be forced to take turns.
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While this complaint is technically true for SPAV, the likelihood that a popular candidate would fail to win a seat because everyone thought they were too popular is just.... Not gonna happen. We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there's no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
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This is a problem inherit to nearly all systems designed to produce proportional results. I honestly can't think of a worthwhile system that doesn't have this problem. Anyway, the goal is not to make the parties take turns. It's to make it possible for minor parties to win seats in the legislature. In the end, no single party would ever have a controlling majority, and they would be forced to form coalitions to pass legislation.
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While this complaint is technically true for SPAV, the likelihood that a popular candidate would fail to win a seat because everyone thought they were too popular is just.... Not gonna happen. We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there's no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
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This is a problem inherit to nearly all systems designed to produce proportional results. I honestly can't think of a worthwhile system that doesn't have this problem. Anyway, the goal is not to make the parties take turns. It's to make it possible for minor parties to win seats in the legislature. In the end, no single party would ever have a controlling majority, and they would be forced to form coalitions to pass legislation.
We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there’s no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
In plain AV, voting honestly is the optimal strategy - there's no incentive to vote any other way. It's not for SPAV. And yes, strategic voting in SPAV is harder to figure out than strategic voting in FPTP, but it's far from impossible - basically you don't vote for a popular candidate you support so your vote for other candidates counts for more, relying on the assumption that enough other people will vote for the popular candidate you support to allow them to win anyways.
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We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there’s no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
In plain AV, voting honestly is the optimal strategy - there's no incentive to vote any other way. It's not for SPAV. And yes, strategic voting in SPAV is harder to figure out than strategic voting in FPTP, but it's far from impossible - basically you don't vote for a popular candidate you support so your vote for other candidates counts for more, relying on the assumption that enough other people will vote for the popular candidate you support to allow them to win anyways.
Strategic voting can be an optional strategy under ordinary approval voting. If I don't like either of the top two candidates, it's still in my best interest to vote for the runner-up, if I hate them less than I hate the front-runner.
And look man, I'm honestly not interested in picking over the details. Any proportional system is better than single-winner. By miles.
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But why did you post a weirdly cropped version? I just can't see how that happened.
Here's the full painting:
Actually, no idea. I could've sworn the version I copied wasn't cropped.
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You're going to have to get more specific if you want a response beyond "yeah man, it is 250 years old."
First, there is this pony express solution called the electoral college.
Second, a prove of US citizenship should be all you need to vote. No registering, no voter lists... Going to the nearest ballot with your ID should suffice.
Third. Of course you also should have a law that demands people register as a habitant of a village, city, township so they are in the respective "voters"-register.
Forth. Make Gerrymandering impossible.Seriously, there are so many countries that have a working system. Take a peek and ise what's working for others. Don't be like Germany, where working solutions are getting dismissed in favor of half baked shit some incompetent party friends suggest and that in the end take 5 times more time to work and cost 4 times more (a.k.a. filling those party friends coffers)
