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    Why do people recommend mint xfce over cinnamon? Is not the cinnamon version better for a newbie?

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    I think because:
    1: I have a tiny bit of technical experience, although none with a Linux system. That's enough to use something more advanced
    2: Cinnamon is basically on par with KDE, in terms of performance, which is not good at all, since my laptop's specifications are particularly sub-par.

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      I think because:
      1: I have a tiny bit of technical experience, although none with a Linux system. That's enough to use something more advanced
      2: Cinnamon is basically on par with KDE, in terms of performance, which is not good at all, since my laptop's specifications are particularly sub-par.

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      Okay, I do not have enough knowledge about the current version of XFCE. I only know that the look of XFCE was super outdated if you do not tweak it. I cannot say if it is solved or not today.

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        You are thinking too hard I think in the wrong direction. Use Mint unless you have a strong feeling/need for something else. In which case, use that. Choice of first distro is not really that important. Pick a popular one and if it's wrong for you, you'll figure it out.

        What you haven't mentioned is any research you have done regarding hardware support/compatibility for your specific device. I searched the specs you listed and it came up with some netbooks like CB012DX. I actually have an older, shittier version of this device running a debian derivative. (Mint is also in the debian family FYI.) And I've had fun installing various linuxes on even older, shittier chromenetbooks over the years.

        Assuming yours is in this ballpark, I have one really important piece of advice for you. Before you think anymore about it, download ISOs of your top 1 or 3 distro choices, flash them to USB and attempt to boot. These super cheap devices cut corners on components. It is not unlikely that you will have some hardware that either doesn't have open source drivers, or has some sort of theoretical support that will be too esoteric for you to implement at your current skill level.
        It is quite common on these devices that everything works fine except networking or something like that. So you might be able to exclude some of your choices based on that. Try to find a distro that works reasonably well out of the box.

        You should find the various names your device goes by

        As you have probably read, booting from a flashed USB is non-destructive of you normal system (unless you choose to format your disk or something of course). Assuming you have no issues booting, try out all the hardware features you have like: trackpad (different kinds of click, drag, zoom etc), ethernet, wireless (2.4 + 5ghz network), bluetooth, speakers, headphones, external input device, external displays, fingerprint scanner, touch screen, all keys and buttons, cameras, mics, sensors, keyboard lights. Any external devices you like to use: mice, keyboards, dongles, should also be included. I suggest making a list and systematically checking each item.

        You can use this amazing tool called ventoy to flash one USB boot drive to have multiple distros available. You can even keep a windows ISO on there. It will even let you reserve a portion of the disk for persistent storage. Ventoy substantially improves this whole process so you don't have to have 10 different USB disks floating around. It is well designed and straight forward to use.

        So on my current netbook, I was lucky that networking has been no problem. people with a slightly different model have to use an external wifi dongle (and not all wifi dongles are compatible with linux). I have never gotten anything form the speakers, but they might have arrived broken, apparently it's pretty easy to blow out the speakers and I didn't test while ChromeOS was still installed. Using an arch-based distro, the touch screen worked but now in Debian it doesn't. I don't really care about that. I really wanted Bluetooth to work and I couldn't for the longest time til one day it just magically solved itself and I haven't reinstalled since then because I am not sure I'd be able to re-solve it.

        The other piece of advice has to do with storage. Depending what software you run, it can require a bit of space. 64gb could be gone quickly. This will be somewhat controversial (for good reason) but I always end up devoting the full eMMC to the system partition and having a permanently mounted SD card for /home, user storage and maybe even some of the system temp directories. This goes against common advice because SD cards are more prone to failure. So you need to have a good backup plan or just accept the risk. But if you run out of storage space on your system drive you can get yourself into the kind of mess that requires reinstalling.

        In terms of both storage and RAM/CPU use, you will want to be extremely judicious of you application use. Firefox is a beast on any operating system.If you like to have a bunch of hungry tabs going on, you can't really optimize the OS.

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          I think because:
          1: I have a tiny bit of technical experience, although none with a Linux system. That's enough to use something more advanced
          2: Cinnamon is basically on par with KDE, in terms of performance, which is not good at all, since my laptop's specifications are particularly sub-par.

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          If your laptop can run w10 at all, it runs mint cinnamon very well

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            Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

            I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

            So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

            • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
            • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
            • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

            I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

            Distributions:

            • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
            • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
            • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

            Desktop Environments:

            • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
            • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

            In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

            I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

            • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
            • Experiences with some distributions
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            What use cases are you planning for it? I mean, antiX would totally rock on that machine. However having Wayland, being lightweight and easy to maintain is kinda tough to find. Lose Wayland part, it's antiX. Lose lightweight part, it's Pop OS, openSUSE Leap, etc. Lose easy to maintain part (for a newbie), it's Arch (mostly derivatives that come with a GUI installer).

            Though if I was preparing that device for someone else, I would probably go with LMDE.

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              I mean, rollbacks are quite literally a feature to prevent breaking it. That said I've never even had to roll back once.

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              Nah, rollbacks are a feature to save you when it has broken. A good one indeed, but it's more akin to a fire extinguisher. It doesn't prevent the problem, but it does prevent everything from being a pile of ashes.

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                What use cases are you planning for it? I mean, antiX would totally rock on that machine. However having Wayland, being lightweight and easy to maintain is kinda tough to find. Lose Wayland part, it's antiX. Lose lightweight part, it's Pop OS, openSUSE Leap, etc. Lose easy to maintain part (for a newbie), it's Arch (mostly derivatives that come with a GUI installer).

                Though if I was preparing that device for someone else, I would probably go with LMDE.

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                Web browsing, writing, playing Minecraft, and maybe some more things.

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                  Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                  I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                  So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                  • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                  • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                  • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                  I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                  Distributions:

                  • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                  • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                  • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                  Desktop Environments:

                  • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                  • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                  In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                  I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                  • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                  • Experiences with some distributions
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                  I'd probably go with Mint XFCE or those listed, or you can search for distros that target older hardware. I'll get back to yo on that.

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                    Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                    I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                    So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                    • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                    • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                    • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                    I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                    Distributions:

                    • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                    • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                    • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                    Desktop Environments:

                    • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                    • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                    In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                    I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                    • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                    • Experiences with some distributions
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                    I am not sure that using Wayland is your best choice here. Based on laptop specs it is not like you are going to game on it. And for web and office tasks x11 still offers a better experience. On Wayland you would have problems with things Luke scaling, screen capturing etc. They are (to some extend) solvable, but are tricky to fix, especially with your lack of terminal experience.

                    Also I would not care that much for cutting-edge repositories. They are usually required for support of the new hardware (which of cause is not the case here).

                    Also, almost all modern DE are somewhat the same in terms of resource consumption. Some are a bit heavy (for example Cinnamon is heavier than xfce) but the difference if almost negligible. The majority of resources would be consumed by a browser, not DE.
                    If you still wish to have the lightest DE possible, than you are limited to LXQT. XFCE nowadays is not as light as it used to be.
                    You can have a very good performance with window managers like openbox and alike. For panel you can use polybar, tint or whatever. But that would require some configuration from you. Such setup is available in MX Linux. I suggest you to take a look at that distro, it is kinda good for old laptops.
                    Of cause, standalone Wayland compositors (sway, hyprland, labwc, wayfire etc.) are very good, but they would require you to do a lot configuration work to set everything working. Even distros that ship them preinstalled (like Fedora Sway spin, for example) have somewhat broken defaults.

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                      Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                      I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                      So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                      • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                      • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                      • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                      I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                      Distributions:

                      • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                      • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                      • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                      Desktop Environments:

                      • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                      • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                      In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                      I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                      • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                      • Experiences with some distributions
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                      @thatonecoder unless i missed it, it looks like no one suggested puppy linux! it's very light and some variants (bookworm pup) has wayland options (32 bit and xorg options as well) and full apt usage.
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                        I am not sure that using Wayland is your best choice here. Based on laptop specs it is not like you are going to game on it. And for web and office tasks x11 still offers a better experience. On Wayland you would have problems with things Luke scaling, screen capturing etc. They are (to some extend) solvable, but are tricky to fix, especially with your lack of terminal experience.

                        Also I would not care that much for cutting-edge repositories. They are usually required for support of the new hardware (which of cause is not the case here).

                        Also, almost all modern DE are somewhat the same in terms of resource consumption. Some are a bit heavy (for example Cinnamon is heavier than xfce) but the difference if almost negligible. The majority of resources would be consumed by a browser, not DE.
                        If you still wish to have the lightest DE possible, than you are limited to LXQT. XFCE nowadays is not as light as it used to be.
                        You can have a very good performance with window managers like openbox and alike. For panel you can use polybar, tint or whatever. But that would require some configuration from you. Such setup is available in MX Linux. I suggest you to take a look at that distro, it is kinda good for old laptops.
                        Of cause, standalone Wayland compositors (sway, hyprland, labwc, wayfire etc.) are very good, but they would require you to do a lot configuration work to set everything working. Even distros that ship them preinstalled (like Fedora Sway spin, for example) have somewhat broken defaults.

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                        Thanks for this kind answer! I might game a bit on it (I am probably going to be the last person to stop playing Minecraft 1.8.9), but I don't know how much better Wayland is. I can tinker a bit of the settings, but not too much. I also have another laptop that has half the specs (but a better CPU, for some reason) that I might use as a lab rat.

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                          Okay, I do not have enough knowledge about the current version of XFCE. I only know that the look of XFCE was super outdated if you do not tweak it. I cannot say if it is solved or not today.

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                          Yeah, it does feel like Windows XP, but that's also the beauty of it - I can customize it using the graphical editors, since the UI is not confusing, just outdated.

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                            Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                            I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                            So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                            • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                            • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                            • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                            I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                            Distributions:

                            • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                            • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                            • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                            Desktop Environments:

                            • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                            • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                            In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                            I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                            • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                            • Experiences with some distributions
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                            You are thinking too hard I think in the wrong direction. Use Mint unless you have a strong feeling/need for something else. In which case, use that. Choice of first distro is not really that important. Pick a popular one and if it's wrong for you, you'll figure it out.

                            What you haven't mentioned is any research you have done regarding hardware support/compatibility for your specific device. I searched the specs you listed and it came up with some netbooks like CB012DX. I actually have an older, shittier version of this device running a debian derivative. (Mint is also in the debian family FYI.) And I've had fun installing various linuxes on even older, shittier chromenetbooks over the years.

                            Assuming yours is in this ballpark, I have one really important piece of advice for you. Before you think anymore about it, download ISOs of your top 1 or 3 distro choices, flash them to USB and attempt to boot. These super cheap devices cut corners on components. It is not unlikely that you will have some hardware that either doesn't have open source drivers, or has some sort of theoretical support that will be too esoteric for you to implement at your current skill level.
                            It is quite common on these devices that everything works fine except networking or something like that. So you might be able to exclude some of your choices based on that. Try to find a distro that works reasonably well out of the box.

                            You should find the various names your device goes by and search for that in combination with linux.

                            As you have probably read, booting from a flashed USB is non-destructive of you normal system (unless you choose to format your disk or something of course). Assuming you have no issues booting, try out all the hardware features you have like: trackpad (different kinds of click, drag, zoom etc), ethernet, wireless (2.4 + 5ghz network), bluetooth, speakers, headphones, external input device, external displays, fingerprint scanner, touch screen, all keys and buttons, cameras, mics, sensors, keyboard lights. Any external devices you like to use: mice, keyboards, dongles, should also be included. I suggest making a list and systematically checking each item.

                            You can use this amazing tool called ventoy to flash one USB boot drive to have multiple distros available. You can even keep a windows ISO on there. It will even let you reserve a portion of the disk for persistent storage. Ventoy substantially improves this whole process so you don't have to have 10 different USB disks floating around. It is well designed and straight forward to use.

                            So on my current netbook, I was lucky that networking has been no problem. people with a slightly different model have to use an external wifi dongle (and not all wifi dongles are compatible with linux). I have never gotten anything form the speakers, but they might have arrived broken, apparently it's pretty easy to blow out the speakers and I didn't test while ChromeOS was still installed. Using an arch-based distro, the touch screen worked but now in Debian it doesn't. I don't really care about that. I really wanted Bluetooth to work and I couldn't for the longest time til one day it just magically solved itself and I haven't reinstalled since then because I am not sure I'd be able to re-solve it.

                            The other piece of advice has to do with storage. Depending what software you run, it can require a bit of space. 64gb could be gone quickly. This will be somewhat controversial (for good reason) but I always end up devoting the full eMMC to the system partition and having a permanently mounted SD card for /home, user storage and maybe even some of the system temp directories. This goes against common advice because SD cards are more prone to failure. So you need to have a good backup plan or just accept the risk. But if you run out of storage space on your system drive you can get yourself into the kind of mess that requires reinstalling.

                            In terms of both storage and RAM/CPU use, you will want to be extremely judicious of you application use. Firefox is a beast on any operating system.If you like to have a bunch of hungry tabs going on, you can't really optimize the OS.

                            I use xfce4 and it has the reputation of being "light". But I have seen a lot of people claiming that KDE is actually "lighter". I'm sure it depends on your setup.

                            If you can organize things to make a smoother transition than just waking up one day in October "this is it; now I switch" you should do that.

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                              That's exactly the model, from 2018! Can you tell me the distro that worked best, for it?

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                              Idk which has worked best. Currently it is running on a debian derivative called "sparky" for no particular reason. As I said, bluethooth magically started working so I'm not changing anything.

                              I really strongly recommend you prioritize a popular distro as a novice user. When you have problems, it will be a lot harder to get help if you are using something obscure. People who are using more common distros won't be able to know if your problem could be due to some oddity of your distro. So they will be more reluctant to offer solutions.

                              Mint is a really good first choice. And you should just try the thing I suggested about booting from USBs and seeing if networking and other basics work properly.

                              Only proceed to something like sparky if nothing else works.

                              The good news about having a device from 2018, is there should be no (few) surprises. Other people will have tried things already. It's a similar benefit as choosing a popular distro.

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                                Ventoy is just soooo fucking useful.

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                                  Web browsing, writing, playing Minecraft, and maybe some more things.

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                                  I see. In that case I see no reason not to use antiX. It's so lightweight it can run well on a 20 year old laptop. You don't need latest drivers to play Minecraft (you can install them if you want like on any Debian base but there is no need for that). antiX is also easy on hard drive space since it's smaller than most distros.

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                                    Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                                    I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                                    So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                                    • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                                    • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                                    • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                                    I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                                    Distributions:

                                    • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                                    • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                                    • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                                    Desktop Environments:

                                    • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                                    • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                                    In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                                    I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                                    • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                                    • Experiences with some distributions
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                                    I've tried many desktop environments: Flux, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, Enlightenment, OpenBox, TWM, and screens. Naturally, Gnome prevailed. I can't resist a system that allows for endless tweaking.

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                                      Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

                                      I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

                                      So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

                                      • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
                                      • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
                                      • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

                                      I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promisimg, but want y'all's opinions on them.

                                      Distributions:

                                      • Linux Mint: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
                                      • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
                                      • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, too barebones)

                                      Desktop Environments:

                                      • XFCE: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
                                      • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

                                      In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

                                      I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

                                      • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
                                      • Experiences with some distributions
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                                      Try a few live disks out. See what works best with your hardware and workflows. I like Fedora with KDE Plasma, personally. But I prefer RHEL based to Debian based stuff and I don't like the direction Ubuntu is beimg taken for monetization.

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                                        Thanks for this kind answer! I might game a bit on it (I am probably going to be the last person to stop playing Minecraft 1.8.9), but I don't know how much better Wayland is. I can tinker a bit of the settings, but not too much. I also have another laptop that has half the specs (but a better CPU, for some reason) that I might use as a lab rat.

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                                        The main problems with gaming on x11 are:

                                        1. Screen tearing. You can check YouTube for how it looks.

                                        2. Latency in x11 is significantly higher.

                                        3. HDR support. X11 does not support HDR. But I doubt you laptop supports it either.

                                        I do not believe that problems 1 and 2 affect minecraft that much. They ate mostly prominent in games like first-person-shooter and alike.

                                        Also, note that Minecraft itself does not support wayland. This means that it would run under x11 that would run under wayland (with both x11 and Wayland problems combined).

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                                          The main problems with gaming on x11 are:

                                          1. Screen tearing. You can check YouTube for how it looks.

                                          2. Latency in x11 is significantly higher.

                                          3. HDR support. X11 does not support HDR. But I doubt you laptop supports it either.

                                          I do not believe that problems 1 and 2 affect minecraft that much. They ate mostly prominent in games like first-person-shooter and alike.

                                          Also, note that Minecraft itself does not support wayland. This means that it would run under x11 that would run under wayland (with both x11 and Wayland problems combined).

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                                          I do play Minecraft 1.8.9 competitively, but would using Wayland help with that?

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