Germany could ban far-Right politicians from running for office
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
Less inequality and better education are really the only solution.
People reach for extremism when they feel let down by the existing system.
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A party ban in germany results also in a pohibition to form follow up parties. That's why we should aim for the party and not single members
Same here, the same people couldn't run again but they asked all their supporters to vote for a specific candidate with a clean rep but essentially a puppet
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Wehrhafte Demokratie macht BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
There allready is precedent for banning parties. History and current events both show that people are fully ready to vote fascists into power. And also, you know what's one of the big reasons so many people vote for fascists? Fascist propaganda. Banning fascist parties will help have fewer fascist citizens around (at least after a while).
@FourGreenFields @twinnie. add populists to that
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You can ban them all you want, they can still reform
Then make them do that work.
And investigate any ties between the banned party and the new one. Ban the new one as well, if they're just the same people with a new name.
Every time they are forced to rename and reform, that's effort they can't use to further their other goals.
Every time they need to "wink wink" a little harder, they risk losing part of their extremist base.
Make them do the work!I agree with you, we should stop them at every corner. I'm trying to point out that banning them isn't a fix-all solution, something needs to be done about their voters as well.
In Greece some members of older, more moderate but still far right parties were absorbed by the center right and are now ministers of the government.
Essentially the center right parties tend to steer to the far right a little to gain the far right vote without being labeled a far right party.
This also nneds to be addressed.
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Think of it like washing your laundry. Yes, you can and should be careful to not get it dirty in the first place. Yes, if you wrestle in the mud, your clothes will be muddy. Either way you will need to wash them from time to time. Now whether that time is often or only rarely is something you can influence, but the washing itself remains necessary.
We need some strong detergent for those shit stains but I agree, the fight needs to be persistent
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Calling the SPD anything but a luke warm pudding is a lie.
They are literally neither right noir left. They just bend to whatever coqlition they get into.
Nope. The SPD defending the AFD. Faeser stops the publication of a report, which would label the whole AFD as a party fighting the constitution. They actively work sending refugees to countries like Afghanistan, help to criminalize climate and Palestine activists and so forth.
The only left leaning thing they actively fought for in the last term in government was raising the minimum wage a bit. Everything else which was decent left leaning policy was brought through mainly by the Greens. Sometimes even the FDP had to rightly fight the insane policies of the SPD.
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A party ban in germany results also in a pohibition to form follow up parties. That's why we should aim for the party and not single members
Yes - but if leading AfD figures were stripped of their right to vote, then such ruling would hit that person _regardless_ of which party he or she¹ is in. So I think going after individuals vs. going after parties is not an either-or. It would make sense to do both.
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Yes - but if leading AfD figures were stripped of their right to vote, then such ruling would hit that person _regardless_ of which party he or she¹ is in. So I think going after individuals vs. going after parties is not an either-or. It would make sense to do both.
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¹ I don't think AfD has enby members.¹ I don’t think AfD has enby members.
What does that have to do with anything?
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¹ I don’t think AfD has enby members.
What does that have to do with anything?
I wrote “he or she”. @MaggiWuerze
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A party ban in germany results also in a pohibition to form follow up parties. That's why we should aim for the party and not single members
@MaggiWuerze @Zer0_F0x thats right but does really someone believe, that this won't happen? There are members of the afd who are clever enough to form a new party thats just "new enough" to be legaly not a follow up party. I don't think we will get rid of this party or to be more clear, of that spirit that lives within this party. Especially with the CDU/CSU at the moment, which is doing everything at the moment to destroy the trust in the democratic partys and this system.
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
I love how the commenters on that page hating all on the "far-left". despite the left has exactly nothing to do with that idea. dumb fucks as far one can see.
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@MaggiWuerze @Zer0_F0x thats right but does really someone believe, that this won't happen? There are members of the afd who are clever enough to form a new party thats just "new enough" to be legaly not a follow up party. I don't think we will get rid of this party or to be more clear, of that spirit that lives within this party. Especially with the CDU/CSU at the moment, which is doing everything at the moment to destroy the trust in the democratic partys and this system.
I usually assume left people to be smarter than people from the right wing, yet the communist party has not been able to reform in almost 70 years
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I wrote “he or she”. @MaggiWuerze
Ah, that footnote was not rendered properly in my app. Thought it was just a random statement
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Far-Right politicians in Germany could be banned from running for office under plans by the incoming government, echoing a decision in France to block Marine Le Pen from a presidential bid.
Do it. Honestly I'm a little surprised you didn't do it 80 years ago
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I love how the commenters on that page hating all on the "far-left". despite the left has exactly nothing to do with that idea. dumb fucks as far one can see.
It's classic whataboutism and trying to draw false equivalencies to muddy the waters. They want to put everyone else on defense about the decision to ban Nazis by making you waste time explaining why someone else isn't a Nazi.
To sum up: fuck them. Nazis are bad. Please continue punching them, both metaphorically, legally, and physically as needed to keep them in their hidey holes.
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Greece did something similar a few years ago.
The Golden Dawn far right wing party was declared a criminal organization (after some violence that lead to a few stabbings and at least one death) and their leaders were thrown in jail.
From the ashes of Golden Dawn and a few other populist/Christian conservative/nationalist parties rose a few new ones, with more careful rhetoric and open support from the now jailed golden dawn leaders and high ranking church ministers.
They are collectively holding 26 of the 300 seats in the parliament and are expected to get better results on the next election cycle.
You can ban them all you want, they can still reform into a "we are not far right, wink wink" party after the ban itself verifies their far right status and rise to power all the same.
We are already in that second phase. We threatened to ban the NPD, it fell into irrelevancy.
And out of the Ashes rose the AfD, wrapping their NPD rhethoric in a cozy CSU blanket.
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By far not the same level as extremism.
Fck little sister of whataboutism, the self-elevating sarcasm.
So you're OK with a plutocracy?
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So you're OK with a plutocracy?
I’m not okay with saying extremism is the same as taking money for influence.
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I love how the commenters on that page hating all on the "far-left". despite the left has exactly nothing to do with that idea. dumb fucks as far one can see.
For what it's worth, I wish we would do the same thing.
But with a proper definition where "center" is pretty far right.
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So you agree that whoever is currently in government — which are highly-influenced by their oligarchy, everywhere, to varying degrees — should be able to dictate who can and cannot be involved with politics?
Congrats! You've made the EU great again! You've now given the majority the ability to eliminate political opposition, all challenges to the status quo, and supported a future populist whose goal is dictatorship. Time to pat yourself on back, now off to the gulag!
Why are you arguing in favor of parties that want to infringe on people's human rights?
I fail to see how any movement of change within the spectrum of a constitution based on human rights would be negatively affected by the deligtimisation of anti-humanist factions.
What do oligarchs have to do with that anyway?
How does any of that lead into dictatorship?
What about separation of power?
What about other means of political influence, like wide spread worker strikes, those wouldn't be affected by the dismantling of political parties.
Why the fuck are people spouting libertarian nonsense in defense of fascism?
And pertaining to the gulag: no you.
