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  • M [email protected]

    "State your ethics and then stand by them" is being hard headed?

    When the above is a bar too high for you to reach, that's a you problem, mate.

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    #168

    You said

    Stating your ethics and then not enforcing them makes the statement pointless.

    Explain to me what ethics did they not enforce?

    Hint: none.

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    • C [email protected]

      Do they really need a team of people to post the same thing to X, Mastodon, BkueSky, etc? I'm honestly surprised they don't have some bot to make all the posts for them to those services. Sounds like a cop out to me.

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      #169

      Exactly. If they need help maybe someone could create something so they can post to BlueSky, Matrix, Lemmy, and Mastadon at same time soon. Also set it up for the up and coming Flashes and Pixelfed.

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      • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]
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        #170

        R*edit 💀

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        • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]
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          #171

          Protón is just a bunch of criptonazis

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          • C [email protected]

            Do they really need a team of people to post the same thing to X, Mastodon, BkueSky, etc? I'm honestly surprised they don't have some bot to make all the posts for them to those services. Sounds like a cop out to me.

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            #172

            They specifically said they don't want to do automated posting, to avoid writing and not interacting with the community. I see no value in them doing this, considering we can get the same content via RSS, blog page or email newsletter.
            Presence makes sense if it means presence. If it means a bot reposting content, anybody can do it, but the value is very low.

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            • D [email protected]

              Something has always felt off. Swiss security is always a red flag, and free is never truly free. Don't really know who you can trust at this point. Everything seems to turn to shit as some point or another.

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              #173

              In case of proton free means "subsidized by paying users". No big mystery on how they make money.

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              • B [email protected]

                That word has truly lost all meaning.

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                #174

                Nah, just they are to common and normalize now.

                And you normalize them more if you dont like to call them by they name.

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                • I [email protected]

                  This might sound crazy but this is way worse to me than the CEO simping for orange man. At least for Trump he has a semi plausible excuse.

                  Reposting stuff on Mastodon or Bluesky barely requires any additional effort. And I cannot think of a good reason to close abandon the free publicity when they already have it set up.

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                  #175

                  (Re)Posting and not engaging with the community is not free publicity, is bad publicity. They don't have the resources (according to them) do to the latter, and therefore they choose not to do the former.

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                  • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]
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                    #176

                    I've committed a bunch of relatives and myself to a year of the Family plan, and now most of us want to leave.. What a mess.

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                    • mitm0@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      Use Disroot

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                      #177

                      how come?

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                      • B [email protected]

                        Reddit has a ton of users. Mastodon is marginal.

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                        #178

                        Privacy usually doesn't mean following what's popular.

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Huh, I noticed you cherry picked two things to try to refute and ignored all the others I listed like his fandom for J.D vance while endlessly criticizing chuck Schumer, his statement that the GOP "was there for the little guy," his use of the term "triggered" to describe offending someone. Go on, keep excusing all the clear MAGA mask on indicators.

                          How about you give those a shot too before you whine about disinfo?

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                          #179

                          This comment is a perfect example of why I have written https://loudwhisper.me/blog/proton-fediverse-burnout/

                          The 88 thing is the complete tip of the iceberg for me. I can't honestly imagine the thought process needed to reach a conclusion that a Taiwanese guy (8 is a lucky number) born in '88 would put that number as a dog-whistle (which is not really part of his own cultural landscape) for Nazis, while dealing with a PR issue.

                          It's like looking at a crashed car, tire marks on the ground and suggesting it must have been a sharknado and not a car accident.

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                          • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]
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                            #180

                            One wonders why the rest of the Proton Foundation hasn't stepped in and gotten rid of Andy; I assume it's just because they don't actually care about privacy, they're just cryptonerds.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              They specifically said they don't want to do automated posting, to avoid writing and not interacting with the community. I see no value in them doing this, considering we can get the same content via RSS, blog page or email newsletter.
                              Presence makes sense if it means presence. If it means a bot reposting content, anybody can do it, but the value is very low.

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                              #181

                              It wouldn't be hard to do simultaneous posting. People figured that out ages ago.

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                              • J [email protected]

                                It wouldn't be hard to do simultaneous posting. People figured that out ages ago.

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                                #182

                                It's not a problem of complexity, it's a deliberate choice of not wanting to do that, because it is synthetic content disconnected from the community.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  This comment is a perfect example of why I have written https://loudwhisper.me/blog/proton-fediverse-burnout/

                                  The 88 thing is the complete tip of the iceberg for me. I can't honestly imagine the thought process needed to reach a conclusion that a Taiwanese guy (8 is a lucky number) born in '88 would put that number as a dog-whistle (which is not really part of his own cultural landscape) for Nazis, while dealing with a PR issue.

                                  It's like looking at a crashed car, tire marks on the ground and suggesting it must have been a sharknado and not a car accident.

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                                  #183

                                  "Hide your power level" mask on behavior from the alt right love to play these plausible deniability games while still signally their actual intent. You see it with the "my heart goes out to" or "ik just autisitc" cover for musks nazi salute, or the "he was just waving" Bannon nazi salute. They made a nazi salute, but of course it cant be a nazi salute, wink wink.

                                  I honestly find the 88 to be a faint indicator in this case, but it was a wildly tone deaf one if so coming from some claiming neutrality while steeped in all of the same memetic game playing as the heads of the party.

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                                  • alk@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                                    Wow, that's so many different services to splinter one Proton account into. I was thinking about it too, but that sounds exhausting.

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                                    #184

                                    For sure a lot of advantages to not having all your eggs in one basket.

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                                    • L [email protected]

                                      (Re)Posting and not engaging with the community is not free publicity, is bad publicity. They don't have the resources (according to them) do to the latter, and therefore they choose not to do the former.

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                                      #185

                                      Shows their priorities by not choosing an open platform.

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                                        #186

                                        This really sucks, I like using Proton and now I want to leave... WTF

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          "Hide your power level" mask on behavior from the alt right love to play these plausible deniability games while still signally their actual intent. You see it with the "my heart goes out to" or "ik just autisitc" cover for musks nazi salute, or the "he was just waving" Bannon nazi salute. They made a nazi salute, but of course it cant be a nazi salute, wink wink.

                                          I honestly find the 88 to be a faint indicator in this case, but it was a wildly tone deaf one if so coming from some claiming neutrality while steeped in all of the same memetic game playing as the heads of the party.

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                                          #187

                                          The problem is that those arguments are not falsifiable. If not one, but two completely reasonable explanation cannot convince you of someone motivations, nothing can. However, I don't care if Musk did or did not a Nazi salute. His actions speak much louder (in a bad sense) than the aesthetic that he decides to adopt.
                                          Proton donation pattern for example would be a strong indicator to measure intentions.

                                          but it was a wildly tone deaf one if so

                                          Maybe. But also maybe people are allowed to have different cultural references, and in a global context (i.e., the internet) we should expect diversity. I - for example - had never heard of this 88 thing, and I would definitely not think about it at all the next time I create a username, and I didn't think it when I went to a barber shop that has that number in the name. Likewise, I wouldn't call anybody writing "Merry Xmas" tone deaf for missing the reference to the X MAS of infamous history (and just recently in the news). For some people it's apparently impossible to see their culture as non-universal (at the cost of sounding stereotypical, folks from US have particularly this problem after decades of cultural hegemony).

                                          for a party that’s steeped in all of the same memetic game playing, you cant ignore the dog whistles

                                          This all happened before Musk/Bannon salute. Just to specify it.

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