Trump administration reportedly considers a US DeepSeek ban | TechCrunch
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How exactly would they ban them? DNS poisoning?
I'm not sure if the title is clickbait... Because that's not in the following text. The article says they want to ban Nvidia from selling more hardware to them. It doesn't say anything about limiting availability of the service or anything.
If they do, my best guess is they do it like with TikTok. Change their stance on everything several times and then they don't really enforce anything.
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Ive tried DeepSeek, it’s not even that good. ChatGPT, Google, and even Grok are better and offer more features, like image generation and web search, while DeepSeek only has chat (and reasoning, but all the others have that too now).
The only thing DeepSeek has going for it is that they released their models for free so you can run them on your own hardware if you want.
that's a big fucking benefit though
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Conservatives don't mean things when they say words.
Their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications.
All that has ever mattered is ingroup loyalty.
They think that's all you're doing, because they think that's all there is.
Conservatives don’t mean things when they say words.
Most accurate way of putting it I've heard yet.
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How exactly would they ban them? DNS poisoning?
They just say you're not allowed to use them and that its illegal but can't really stop people from doing it.
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that's a big fucking benefit though
You mean being able to run them locally? Sure, if you got the hardware to do it. The full size model is a whopping 404 GB, good luck running that on consumer hardware.
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Conservatives don’t mean things when they say words.
Most accurate way of putting it I've heard yet.
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Ive tried DeepSeek, it’s not even that good. ChatGPT, Google, and even Grok are better and offer more features, like image generation and web search, while DeepSeek only has chat (and reasoning, but all the others have that too now).
The only thing DeepSeek has going for it is that they released their models for free so you can run them on your own hardware if you want.
Deepseek is much better than anything else I've ran. It has an inner monolog which allows it to solve more complex problems.
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You mean being able to run them locally? Sure, if you got the hardware to do it. The full size model is a whopping 404 GB, good luck running that on consumer hardware.
I run the 16b version. It works fine on my laptop on the CPU.
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Reportedly, they've built a ton of extra AI datacenters they don't even use. I thought they were just misappropriating government funds, but maybe that was an intelligent strategy. I wonder if that's enough to bridge the gap until they have their own silicon in mass production.
I don't think this is the case at all. You can't build AI data centers en masse ghat quickly
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I don't think this is the case at all. You can't build AI data centers en masse ghat quickly
What do you mean? The Chinese are known for government-coordinated megaprojects... They regularly build entire city districts pretty much over night. And it's not really quick... They've been at it since almost 20 years. And I believe in 2016 they released their national 15-year plan to ramp up power plants and AI in order to become the global AI leader by 2030.
We can see how in the times before AI, they were able to build large Bitcoin farms quickly (before they banned it) and by today, their AI industry publishes quite some models, papers... So I don't really see a reason to question this. Or is there anything I've missed?
- https://www.techradar.com/pro/china-has-spent-billions-of-dollars-building-far-too-many-data-centers-for-ai-and-compute-could-it-lead-to-a-huge-market-crash
- https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/chinas-ai-data-center-boom-goes-bust-rush-leaves-billions-of-dollars-in-idle-infrastructure
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_industry_in_China
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I run the 16b version. It works fine on my laptop on the CPU.
Sure, that’ll work. It’s just not as smart as the full version.
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Deepseek is much better than anything else I've ran. It has an inner monolog which allows it to solve more complex problems.
ChatGPT and Grok have that too now. It’s called “Reason” (ChatGPT) or “Think” (Grok).
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ChatGPT and Grok have that too now. It’s called “Reason” (ChatGPT) or “Think” (Grok).
You can't run those locally though so that doesn't natter much
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What do you mean? The Chinese are known for government-coordinated megaprojects... They regularly build entire city districts pretty much over night. And it's not really quick... They've been at it since almost 20 years. And I believe in 2016 they released their national 15-year plan to ramp up power plants and AI in order to become the global AI leader by 2030.
We can see how in the times before AI, they were able to build large Bitcoin farms quickly (before they banned it) and by today, their AI industry publishes quite some models, papers... So I don't really see a reason to question this. Or is there anything I've missed?
- https://www.techradar.com/pro/china-has-spent-billions-of-dollars-building-far-too-many-data-centers-for-ai-and-compute-could-it-lead-to-a-huge-market-crash
- https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/chinas-ai-data-center-boom-goes-bust-rush-leaves-billions-of-dollars-in-idle-infrastructure
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_industry_in_China
It's not about the building. It's about planning out the electrical grid to support hundreds of megawatts - for every single campus. They consume more power than everything else. 24/7.
Along with liquid cooling, which is mandatory now for an 'AI data center'. Air cooling cant cool that much power.
Buildings with less power are just regular data centers, not AI centered.
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The Trump administration is considering new restrictions on the Chinese AI lab DeepSeek that would limit it from buying Nvidia’s AI chips and potentially bar Americans from accessing its AI services, The New York Times reported on Wednesday.
Reminds me of when a business bans mention of it's competitors because they know their own offering is trash (rather than make something they are proud of). I think it's called Insecurity.
If the openly available China stuff is so great, make something great yourself if you want to compete with them. To instead ban it is to essentially hold americans down and reduce the quality of what they can do. So nah. Trash Trump decision. No one wants Altman as US AI posterboy. Don't force people from openly available high quality stuff on to the Altman bandwagon.
A real company should be able to mention their competitors without fear because they are proud of what they made and genuinely think it's the best and, if it isn't, they are actively improving it to the point they feel it is.
This decision basically shows US AI insecurity, there will be a shift, and that Altman can't compete with better people.
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You can't run those locally though so that doesn't natter much
I guess I forgot what community I'm in
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I guess I forgot what community I'm in
️All good
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